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Oct 28, 2020 18:16:08   #
Reno
 
The lady is just another example of a woke, artificially empowered feminist. Women wear makeup to draw attention. They wear clothes, often sexy clothes, to draw attention. Women who, even if only in their minds, consider themselves attractive, want attention. Now the latest PC idiocy coming from some feminists is that receiving the attention they worked hard to receive violates their privacy. Give me a break!

"photographing someone in a degrading, violative way without her consent in public is wrong."

If you photograph someone in a degrading way, I would see the problem more with the person acting in such a way in public, than with the photographer. After all, this incident did not take place in an elevator or a dressing room. All she complained about is the photographer taking pictures of her.

The fact that the "police agreed with her" only tells me about the cop's ignorance of the law. Based on her own writing, the only illegalities that occured were by her. Physically grabbing a person and restraining them is battery. Preventing a person from leaving is holding them hostage (false imprisonment). I hope this guy talks to an attorney, and sues her and the cop. I can look at this from the perspective of a police officer and working for a law firm after that. She was wrong, the cop was wrong, and the photographer did what he had a right to do.

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Oct 28, 2020 20:38:15   #
k2edm Loc: FN32AD
 
the ldy is in public..she has no right to expect privacy... he has a right to take photo of ANYTHING with the possible exception of some military installations and nuclear power plants which have laws protecting them from the camera... the signs "no photography" on the NYC bridges are guestionably legal. she should be prosecuted for "false arrest" and the PO should be suspended for a week w/o pay for "retraining".

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Oct 28, 2020 20:51:48   #
k2edm Loc: FN32AD
 
years ago a Brooklin (where else) PO confiscated a Standard (brand name) HT from a licensed amateur. The Standard was identical with model used by PO at the time, but was the property of the amateur and was
just crystaled for two meters. It took a letter from the amateurs lawyer but he got an apology from the pct commander and his radio back..

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Oct 28, 2020 23:54:08   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
mikeroetex wrote:
Respectfully, but illegal, ethical and emotional are three seperate things. I can be legal and ethical and it still may make you sad or angry. Many people confuse emotional reaction with ethics. Whether a photo was taken in a "degrading, violative way without their consent" is purely subjective and impossible to enforce, and I would submit, even to define. I wouldn't even notice a camera with a long lens taking a picture of me from across the street, much less feel denigrated. My personal opinion is we have too many people in today's culture who think they have a right to not be offended or feel uncomfortable. There is no such right.

Street photography is an art and protected by 1st amendment, even if it makes you "feel" uncomfortable. I'm not claiming every photographer is good at it or even producing art... but it is their right in a public space where there is no expectation of privacy. The cops in NYC were wrong and a call to their precinct commander would have solved that. Unless she was under federal witness protection (she obviously isn't, her photo is on twitter) they had no reason to ask or demand the photog to delete the pics. By the way, she looks tiny and probably about 95 lbs. I don't know how she held a photog in place for 40 minutes. I doubt the truthfullness of her entire account of the incident. I might have kept walking and let her drag behind.

My suggestion, if someone taking your picture makes tears stream down your face, then wear a ball cap low and a hoody or a veil. Or grow up.

P.S. For the record, I am not a dirty old man. I don't even do street photography because it doesn't interest me. But I am a former journalist/sports videographer who has covered a whole range of human experience... sports (with crowd reaction), fires, dead bodies, perp walks, funerals and festivals, hurricane homeless and Mardi Gras parades. I shot what I saw and we told the story at 6 & 10. As long as I was legal and ethical, I didn't worry about anyone's "comfort" or "feelings."
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Putting aside examples of documentary photography, such as the George Floyd incident, if I were to make an image of someone and I looked at it and thought "Man, if this were a photograph of me, I'd hate it" then I would delete it. I realize that different folks have different opinions about what would be a crappy image of them.

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Oct 28, 2020 23:58:56   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
I think it would be interesting for her to get another side to the issue. Perhaps there is some way for her to be able to read this UHH exchange.

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Oct 29, 2020 20:05:19   #
kenijr Loc: Manchester, New Jersey
 
That would be a violation of the first ammendment if New York tried to pass a law about photographing women in public. If they don't want to be photographed stay home!

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Nov 3, 2020 12:57:12   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
JD750 wrote:
When your photograph harms me: New York should look to curb unconsensual photography of women

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-when-your-photograph-harms-me-20201019-ow44eoe4prdkjag3j6yuraxpvy-story.html


Sounds like she has some serious mental issues. In CA for example, one is considered an Adult and photographible in public places. It is frowned upon in most locations to day to photograph minors with out a parent or guardian's permission. But the laws in most places for street photography are pretty much in the photographers favor. Not sure why this young lady is so overly sensitive about having her photo taken. It does not sound she is an heiress to Billions and fears kidnapping. She chooses to live in a huge city, NYC and expects so sort of isolation from attention? She then should stay away from Los Angeles for sure, sunny days and people running around nearly unclothed every where. And photographers galore.

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Nov 3, 2020 13:04:38   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Sounds like she has some serious mental issues. In CA for example, one is considered an Adult and photographible in public places. It is frowned upon in most locations to day to photograph minors with out a parent or guardian's permission. But the laws in most places for street photography are pretty much in the photographers favor. Not sure why this young lady is so overly sensitive about having her photo taken. It does not sound she is an heiress to Billions and fears kidnapping. She chooses to live in a huge city, NYC and expects so sort of isolation from attention? She then should stay away from Los Angeles for sure, sunny days and people running around nearly unclothed every where. And photographers galore.
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I’m not a street photographer. I am also very non-confrontational. Just because I have a camera and am walking down the street does not necessary give me right and title to photograph who I please. If a person sees you with a camera, they can shy away or not mind. If you are detained, there had better be a lawful reason for such. Otherwise, just go on your merry way.

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