New York should look to curb unconsensual photography of women
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Oct 27, 2020 01:35:57 #
When your photograph harms me: New York should look to curb unconsensual photography of women
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-when-your-photograph-harms-me-20201019-ow44eoe4prdkjag3j6yuraxpvy-story.html
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-when-your-photograph-harms-me-20201019-ow44eoe4prdkjag3j6yuraxpvy-story.html
Oct 27, 2020 03:45:56 #
Oct 27, 2020 05:16:53 #
Oct 27, 2020 05:29:28 #
Why, perhaps the author believes her soul is stolen when her image is taken!
Sadly, not such a surprising essay, concept given the victim mentality that has taken hold of so many (pathetic) people.
Sadly, not such a surprising essay, concept given the victim mentality that has taken hold of so many (pathetic) people.
Oct 27, 2020 05:34:17 #
JD750 wrote:
When your photograph harms me: New York should look to curb unconsensual photography of women
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-when-your-photograph-harms-me-20201019-ow44eoe4prdkjag3j6yuraxpvy-story.html
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-when-your-photograph-harms-me-20201019-ow44eoe4prdkjag3j6yuraxpvy-story.html
Sure would like to see a photo of her!
Oct 27, 2020 05:39:02 #
Oct 27, 2020 05:45:41 #
if you read the article, the words "image privacy task force" should jump out at you.
this is like the idiots that run around screaming 'free speech," until you say something they don't like, then it becomes 'hate speech' (as in, maybe, speech they hate?) and it's dreadful and must be immediately suppressed.
welcome to the cold cruel world, kid. if you're very attractive, people will notice. if you wear a tight dress, people will notice, if you wear something unusual, people will notice. if you drive a Rolls Royce, people will notice. if you dye your hair purple with green streaks, people will notice.
can i get some of that very attractive and Rolls Royce stuff? (you can keep the hair dye - mine's mostly fallen out anyway)
this is like the idiots that run around screaming 'free speech," until you say something they don't like, then it becomes 'hate speech' (as in, maybe, speech they hate?) and it's dreadful and must be immediately suppressed.
welcome to the cold cruel world, kid. if you're very attractive, people will notice. if you wear a tight dress, people will notice, if you wear something unusual, people will notice. if you drive a Rolls Royce, people will notice. if you dye your hair purple with green streaks, people will notice.
can i get some of that very attractive and Rolls Royce stuff? (you can keep the hair dye - mine's mostly fallen out anyway)
Oct 27, 2020 08:35:40 #
tradio wrote:
Is that a parody?
No it’s real.
She’s working to pass a law in New York to make it illegal to photograph individuals, women, without permission.
It some countries it is illegal and I fear we will see more of this type of regulation here.
Oct 27, 2020 08:51:15 #
Does grabbing the photographer and holding on to him for 40 minutes until the police arrived, not constitute assault? Police forcing the photographer to destroy film and delete images is also illegal, is it not?
Oct 27, 2020 09:07:35 #
Dik wrote:
Does grabbing the photographer and holding on to him for 40 minutes until the police arrived, not constitute assault? Police forcing the photographer to destroy film and delete images is also illegal, is it not?
Those are reasonable questions. I am sorry don’t know the answers.
I just wanted to alert people to what was happening in New York. It’s not a joke.
Oct 27, 2020 09:28:09 #
Dik wrote:
Does grabbing the photographer and holding on to him for 40 minutes until the police arrived, not constitute assault? Police forcing the photographer to destroy film and delete images is also illegal, is it not?
Holding onto a person is illegal, it's the same as arresting him. One had better be right b4 one lays his her hands on one.
Oct 27, 2020 12:27:28 #
couch coyote
Loc: northern Illinois
Thanks for posting this, as upsetting as it is. She says, "New York can and should be a safe place for everyone under its watch." Everyone except photographers, police, males, and anyone who doesn't kowtow to her personal, idiosyncratic "rules".
Presumably she hides her eyes when encountering a shirtless man in summer, so she doesn't infringe on his privacy. Presumably she doesn't coo at babies and say, "How cute!", because that would just be creepy to stare at little kids. Presumably she doesn't say, "Can I pet your dog?", because dog owners deserve to be able to walk their pet without being infringed upon by gushing strangers.
Presumably she doesn't interact with any other human being, in any way, at any time. Otherwise she's a hypocrite.
My personal, idiosyncratic opinion is that she's one of the worst examples of where the current attitude of entitlement has led us. (And by the way -- I'm a woman.)
Presumably she hides her eyes when encountering a shirtless man in summer, so she doesn't infringe on his privacy. Presumably she doesn't coo at babies and say, "How cute!", because that would just be creepy to stare at little kids. Presumably she doesn't say, "Can I pet your dog?", because dog owners deserve to be able to walk their pet without being infringed upon by gushing strangers.
Presumably she doesn't interact with any other human being, in any way, at any time. Otherwise she's a hypocrite.
My personal, idiosyncratic opinion is that she's one of the worst examples of where the current attitude of entitlement has led us. (And by the way -- I'm a woman.)
Oct 27, 2020 12:43:06 #
Even as a former New Yorker (Brooklynite to be specific) that has seen some pretty crazy stuff go down, that story seems bizarre. Think about it- A young lady, with an expectation of PRIVACY on the streets of New York City, engages in physical combat with street photographers? Really? She detains a guy for 40 minutes until the cops arrive? Well, she is of Korean extraction and maybe she is into Korean Marshall Arts. One of my hand- to- hand combat instructors, in the Army was Hapkido Master-NASTY STUFF! SO...then... the police come on the scene and seize the guy's film? Is the story from the former Soviet Union? Oh- maybe NORTH Korea!
Well, I know that I have the right to photograph anyone in a public place...etc, etc., etc, but it is 2020 and I just don't do that anymore.
Back in the late 60s, I worked as a photographer in a daily newspaper. On a slow news day in the summer, the editors sent me to the park to photograph the kids in the wading pool. The parents would come over to me and ask me he the picture would be in the paper and if the could buy copies for themselves. Nowadays, I would probably be set upon and murdered even before the cops got there! Bathing beauties at the beach? FORGETABOUTIT!
Last year, I was shooting the EXTERIOR of a new school building for the architect who designed it. One of the teachers and a security guard ran out of the building and yelled "there are children in there...you can't take pictures! Well- fortunately I had a letter of permission with me and there were no kids in sight. I had to remind them that I could not X-Ray the building and see the children inside.
Peter Gowland was America's foremost glamour photographer of women. He also manufactured Gowlandflex cameras. I met Peter and his wife on several occasions- I purchased 4 Gowlanflexes from him. He was a lovely, ethical and kind gentlemen of the first order and an excellent photographer. His wife was just as nice and ran his business affairs. At one of our meetings, I brought along one of his books "How to Photograph Woman" that I had purchased years earlier as a student. I asked him to autograph it for me. In that book, he mentions that when he spotted an attractive lady on the street, he would introduce himself and give her his business can and ask if she would model for him. He suggested, in the book, that this would be a good way to get folks to the model in exchange for photography and build a portfolio. Well- don't try that nowadays and if you do, make sure your medical insurance is paid up!
It's insane! Point a camera at somebody and you are perceived as a pervert, voyeur, rapist, worse or God know what else.
If I have to shoot anythg in a public place, I am armed with a clipboard full of wavers, permission letters, passes, releases of every kind. I'm an old photographer with a grey beard and I don't remember ALL my self-defence moves! I don't wanna tangle with cops, security folks, rent-a-cops or irate civilians
I'm fortunate. As a commercial and portrait photographer PEOPLE come to me because they want or need to be photographed. Just for good measure, our studio policy is "don't eat the food (on food shoots) and don't touch the models, unless they are model airplanes"!
Well, I know that I have the right to photograph anyone in a public place...etc, etc., etc, but it is 2020 and I just don't do that anymore.
Back in the late 60s, I worked as a photographer in a daily newspaper. On a slow news day in the summer, the editors sent me to the park to photograph the kids in the wading pool. The parents would come over to me and ask me he the picture would be in the paper and if the could buy copies for themselves. Nowadays, I would probably be set upon and murdered even before the cops got there! Bathing beauties at the beach? FORGETABOUTIT!
Last year, I was shooting the EXTERIOR of a new school building for the architect who designed it. One of the teachers and a security guard ran out of the building and yelled "there are children in there...you can't take pictures! Well- fortunately I had a letter of permission with me and there were no kids in sight. I had to remind them that I could not X-Ray the building and see the children inside.
Peter Gowland was America's foremost glamour photographer of women. He also manufactured Gowlandflex cameras. I met Peter and his wife on several occasions- I purchased 4 Gowlanflexes from him. He was a lovely, ethical and kind gentlemen of the first order and an excellent photographer. His wife was just as nice and ran his business affairs. At one of our meetings, I brought along one of his books "How to Photograph Woman" that I had purchased years earlier as a student. I asked him to autograph it for me. In that book, he mentions that when he spotted an attractive lady on the street, he would introduce himself and give her his business can and ask if she would model for him. He suggested, in the book, that this would be a good way to get folks to the model in exchange for photography and build a portfolio. Well- don't try that nowadays and if you do, make sure your medical insurance is paid up!
It's insane! Point a camera at somebody and you are perceived as a pervert, voyeur, rapist, worse or God know what else.
If I have to shoot anythg in a public place, I am armed with a clipboard full of wavers, permission letters, passes, releases of every kind. I'm an old photographer with a grey beard and I don't remember ALL my self-defence moves! I don't wanna tangle with cops, security folks, rent-a-cops or irate civilians
I'm fortunate. As a commercial and portrait photographer PEOPLE come to me because they want or need to be photographed. Just for good measure, our studio policy is "don't eat the food (on food shoots) and don't touch the models, unless they are model airplanes"!
Oct 27, 2020 14:49:00 #
brow3904
Loc: Upstate South Carolina
So, if I happen to visit New York City and as a tourist am walking around being amazed at the surrounding, if a woman happens to be in my photo you want me to be arrested? Common sense comes in small portions these days unfortunately.
Oct 27, 2020 15:53:42 #
Lots of strong reactions here and I understand that.
But this is the paranoid mess that we call modern culture. Young people have expectations of being safe that go beyond the norms when we were young. Freedom of speech is restricted on college campuses, there are safe spaces now etc. Young people freely give up freedom for the feeling of safety. Now if someone is uncomfortable that can be considered harm. And heaven help you if you commit a micro-aggression. I am not kidding. This is what is happening on college campuses, government and in some corporations as well.
Is it any surprise that college graduates expect these protections to extend to the street?
Whatever happened to her, the police agreed with her, so there was some legal basis for her actions. I’m not defending that, it’s just the state of our culture.
“The price of freedom is ever vigilance”. I think that bill is long overdue.
But this is the paranoid mess that we call modern culture. Young people have expectations of being safe that go beyond the norms when we were young. Freedom of speech is restricted on college campuses, there are safe spaces now etc. Young people freely give up freedom for the feeling of safety. Now if someone is uncomfortable that can be considered harm. And heaven help you if you commit a micro-aggression. I am not kidding. This is what is happening on college campuses, government and in some corporations as well.
Is it any surprise that college graduates expect these protections to extend to the street?
Whatever happened to her, the police agreed with her, so there was some legal basis for her actions. I’m not defending that, it’s just the state of our culture.
“The price of freedom is ever vigilance”. I think that bill is long overdue.
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