Sky Replacement? Really?
Oct 21, 2020 12:25:14 #
Rationalization:
You go on a trip, big $$ and time commitment, dull gray skies, or blank blue skies, you know the line "You should have been here yesterday!", I can understand the need, haven't done it yet but...
You go on a trip, big $$ and time commitment, dull gray skies, or blank blue skies, you know the line "You should have been here yesterday!", I can understand the need, haven't done it yet but...
Oct 21, 2020 12:41:35 #
lorvey wrote:
It's probably photo art. Not trying to start a fight, just interested in your perspective.
You do what you want to do and others will do what they want to do. Personally I have never replaced a sky. My only objection to a replaced sky (or any post processing) is when it is so obvious it detracts from the image.
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Oct 21, 2020 12:44:11 #
aellman wrote:
Sky replacement would be a bridge too far for me, but it's a matter of personal taste. I admit to being a purist. Eventually Photoshop will have Full Photo Replacement. With the FPR feature enabled, your crappy backyard snapshot will morph into a jaw-droppingly gorgeous image of your family created by an algorithm duplicating the style and talent of Arnold Newman or 20 other legendary portrait photographers.
Creative Sky Replacement. Westport MA.
Creative Sky Replacement. Westport MA.
Haha.
Looks like they're near Bikini Atoll.
Oct 21, 2020 12:54:09 #
aellman wrote:
Sky replacement would be a bridge too far for me, but it's a matter of personal taste. I admit to being a purist. Eventually Photoshop will have Full Photo Replacement. With the FPR feature enabled, your crappy backyard snapshot will morph into a jaw-droppingly gorgeous image of your family created by an algorithm duplicating the style and talent of Arnold Newman or 20 other legendary portrait photographers.
Creative Sky Replacement. Westport MA.
Creative Sky Replacement. Westport MA.
Oct 21, 2020 12:57:51 #
Bill_de wrote:
You do what you want to do and others will do what they want to do. Personally I have never replaced a sky. My only objection to a replaced sky (or any post processing) is when it is so obvious it detracts from the image.
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Oct 21, 2020 13:06:31 #
Longshadow wrote:
Haha.
Looks like they're near Bikini Atoll.
Looks like they're near Bikini Atoll.
In this case, the two photos are poorly merged - you can see the edges of the smaller one - so it is obviously a merge of two photos.
Oct 21, 2020 13:09:58 #
rehess wrote:
In this case, the two photos are poorly merged - you can see the edges of the smaller one - so it is obviously a merge of two photos.
I believe it was done in jest.
Oct 21, 2020 13:13:47 #
Fotoartist wrote:
Is photography an art or isn't it? If it is, are there any rules to art?
Only art critics attempt to impose rules on art . . .
Oct 21, 2020 13:17:57 #
Oct 21, 2020 13:24:39 #
R.G. wrote:
In photo contests where authenticity is important,... (show quote)
Authenticity in photo competitions is a contrivance at best foisted upon participants that does nothing to advance the art of photography. Insisting on "authenticity" is itself a bit disingenuous - ruling out all of the wonderful photography that does not fit the narrowest of definition implied in the notion of authentic.
It usually only matters in criminal forensic photography, and photojournalism. Reuters stopped taking images that were converted from raw a while back - only accepting jpeg images straight out of the camera - because of the fakery.
Oct 21, 2020 13:27:14 #
Gene51 wrote:
Authenticity in photo competitions is a contrivanc... (show quote)
News, forensics, etc. are a little different, they should not be altered.
Oct 21, 2020 13:35:43 #
Longshadow wrote:
News, forensics, etc. are a little different, they should not be altered.
But how do you know how the photo will be used in advance? A few years ago, I posted a photo taken 50 years ago at a site devoted to the “Cumbres and Toltec Scenic Railroad”. I had thought that the interesting part was the crowd waiting for the tourist train in its early days of operation, but I was contacted by someone who was restoring appearance of the telegraph system, and was interested in getting a better scan of the ugly box at the top of one of the poles; if I had cropped or ‘cloned’ that out of the photo, he would have never known to ask.
Oct 21, 2020 13:43:16 #
rehess wrote:
But how do you know how the photo will be used in ... (show quote)
If the news media is going to use an image, new or old, it would be prudent for the media to ask if it is not retouched or modified if that is their requirement. Not sure what to do if the photo is real old and the photographer passed away. Even with old negatives, an image could have been "enhanced" in the darkroom when printed. I suppose it would depend on the content and usage of the image.
Oct 21, 2020 13:55:26 #
lorvey wrote:
Luminar and PS 21 can now do sky replacement. Don... (show quote)
If the element you add to the photo is a another photograph, then the composite is still a photograph. You might not know much about the history of photography, but adding or replacing items in a photo has been done virtually from the beginnings of photography, and the result has always been called a photograph. If you enter it in a contest which has rules prohibiting composites, that is deceptive. But just presenting it without comment isn't dishonest. If asked, I think the photographer should be honest. Whether a photograph is art or not doesn't have anything to do with what techniques were used to make it.
Oct 21, 2020 14:02:09 #
Longshadow wrote:
If the news media is going to use an image, new or old, it would be prudent for the media to ask if it is not retouched or modified if that is their requirement. Not sure what to do if the photo is real old and the photographer passed away. Even with old negatives, an image could have been "enhanced" in the darkroom when printed. I suppose it would depend on the content and usage of the image.
This is why I ask “how do we know the usage in advance?”. My policy is to save the original version unmodified and to clearly label any photo in which picture elements have been removed {I do not add}.
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