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Oct 21, 2020 13:34:11   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
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Jaackil wrote:
These are great. Volleyball is hard to shoot one reason is the ball spends so much time away from the players and a key to a good shot we are told is eyes and ball in the frame. You have nailed the photography part! Well done! If it were me what I would work on now is composition. With any sport you always want to capture either emotion or the height of the action. For example the shot of the young lady on the floor and the ball is past her. Good shot but the great shot, the money shot would have been a split second earlier when she was diving for the ball and the ball was in front of her. Not an easy shot to get at all. But when you catch it, it is always a winner. Don’t be afraid to anticipate action and “spray and pray”. Burst shooting in sports is your friend.
Another thing many photographers forget (myself included) is the emotion shots. We get so caught up in trying to catch the action we forget there is other stories going on. Sometimes the best shots can be of the players on the court after a point and either their celebration or dejection if it was scored against them. Emotion in sports is compelling. Even shooting reactions of players on the bench watching can give you great images. Don’t give up on the shot either. Another example might be when someone is serving. My tendency is to automatically follow the ball and try and catch the action on the other side. Sometimes the best shot is to stay right on the player serving and catch their reaction to whether it was a good or bad serve. Be aware and look for those moments also. I think it was Barry Sanders mother who told him always act like you have been there before. So after a touch down he would just drop the ball(boring). But these look like high school kids, they haven’t been there before and they will show you lots of emotion if you look for it.
Great work looking forward to seeing more! Good luck.
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Jack your explanation is spot on.

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Oct 21, 2020 20:12:08   #
david vt Loc: Vermont
 
Jaackil wrote:
These are great. Volleyball is hard to shoot one reason is the ball spends so much time away from the players and a key to a good shot we are told is eyes and ball in the frame. You have nailed the photography part! Well done! If it were me what I would work on now is composition. With any sport you always want to capture either emotion or the height of the action. For example the shot of the young lady on the floor and the ball is past her. Good shot but the great shot, the money shot would have been a split second earlier when she was diving for the ball and the ball was in front of her. Not an easy shot to get at all. But when you catch it, it is always a winner. Don’t be afraid to anticipate action and “spray and pray”. Burst shooting in sports is your friend.
Another thing many photographers forget (myself included) is the emotion shots. We get so caught up in trying to catch the action we forget there is other stories going on. Sometimes the best shots can be of the players on the court after a point and either their celebration or dejection if it was scored against them. Emotion in sports is compelling. Even shooting reactions of players on the bench watching can give you great images. Don’t give up on the shot either. Another example might be when someone is serving. My tendency is to automatically follow the ball and try and catch the action on the other side. Sometimes the best shot is to stay right on the player serving and catch their reaction to whether it was a good or bad serve. Be aware and look for those moments also. I think it was Barry Sanders mother who told him always act like you have been there before. So after a touch down he would just drop the ball(boring). But these look like high school kids, they haven’t been there before and they will show you lots of emotion if you look for it.
Great work looking forward to seeing more! Good luck.
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Agree with these comments on the timing, and the emotional captures. Harder this season in vball, but the players are usually pumping each other up between points. Your SS and focus are nice.

I also agree with Jules about location. I like sitting at the net on either side. Shooting up from that angle to the net is dramatic. You are about on height with the setter, and low enough to get great dig shots, capturing faces, eyes, and ball all together.

I got a mid zoom lens to do this - a 50-150 on my crop d7200 which films the frame nicely if I am about 10 feet off the court line. The 16-85 was a tad short.

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Oct 21, 2020 21:20:28   #
pnittoly Loc: Mountainside, New Jersey
 
Great shots Tom. Volleyball is difficult - fast moving and difficult lighting. You did an excellent job. Paul

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Oct 21, 2020 21:54:38   #
Michael1079 Loc: Indiana
 
Terrific set!

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Oct 22, 2020 06:30:24   #
tshift Loc: Overland Park, KS.
 
yssirk123 wrote:
You nailed some great shots - well done!!


I appreciate that. Thanks

Tom

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Oct 22, 2020 06:45:16   #
tshift Loc: Overland Park, KS.
 
tomcat wrote:
I have no complaints at all about your images. They show the action extremely well and the players are well isolated in the frame. Try sitting on the floor if you want to get some really cool dig shots as the ball comes over the net. Watch for the serve with your other eye and then wait for the girls gathering where the ball is anticipated.

By the way, what was the camera, lens, and ISO you were using. I'm particularly interested in the ISO because I shoot a lot of volleyball and basketball in a dim gym.
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I would love to shoot from the floor but my 69 year old mistreated knees don't like that. These were shot in one of 5-6 gyms the school district installed Led lighting in. What a huge difference that makes. I shot these with a Nikon D810, 80-200mm f/2.8 lens, at f/3.2, ISO 1000, 1/1000. I need to work on my settings a little, first time back in gym in years and need to learn how to shoot with the LED's. Thanks

Tom

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Oct 22, 2020 06:53:16   #
tshift Loc: Overland Park, KS.
 
Jules Karney wrote:
Hi Tom:
The shots of the player serving are wonderful.
In my opinion your taking the shot after the play is over. Volleyball is a very tough sport to shoot. I sit on the floor to the right or left of the net, you will find after a few plays the ball basically goes to the same player on the opposite side, the ball goes to the setter, from the setter to the front line for the play. For the digs focus and watch in anticipation for that player.

I also take pics. of the players during practice, they all go up to the net to spike the ball. You can get some good shots that way, you can prefocus on the player once again. Try it and you'll see this works.

Good luck on your next shoot. What settings, equip. 85 1.8 ???
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Yes I need to get my mind into volleyball action just like we do for all the other sports. Once I understand how the game flows I will be better at where and when to shoot. i used 80-200mm f/2.8, I shot most at f.3.2 I think. I may use my 85mm f1.8 this Saturday at sub-state matches, will see what happens. I had done a little practice with it at 1.8 but as you know that is a narrow focus range. They didn't look that good. I may try 3.2 or one f stop above to see what happens. Thanks

Tom

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Oct 22, 2020 06:59:36   #
tshift Loc: Overland Park, KS.
 
cjc2 wrote:
I agree that volleyball is tough to shoot, especially in dimly lit gyms. This is one sport in which I use my faster primes and I get lots of use out of my Sigma 135/1.8. I shoot wide open at @ 1/1000th and use AUTO ISO. When shooting indoors I prefer to take light readings on the court and use the results as long as the lighting is somewhat even. For White Balance I either set a custom one using an ExpoDisk and/or get a couple of shots with a color chart/grey card. The wide open aperture helps blur the background. Best of luck.
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I shoot in LED lighting which is great. I could try my 105mm f2.8 and see what that does. I have an ExpoDisk and I should learn how to use it. Being wide open is a really narrow focus range. Thanks

Tom

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Oct 22, 2020 07:05:33   #
tshift Loc: Overland Park, KS.
 
Jaackil wrote:
These are great. Volleyball is hard to shoot one reason is the ball spends so much time away from the players and a key to a good shot we are told is eyes and ball in the frame. You have nailed the photography part! Well done! If it were me what I would work on now is composition. With any sport you always want to capture either emotion or the height of the action. For example the shot of the young lady on the floor and the ball is past her. Good shot but the great shot, the money shot would have been a split second earlier when she was diving for the ball and the ball was in front of her. Not an easy shot to get at all. But when you catch it, it is always a winner. Don’t be afraid to anticipate action and “spray and pray”. Burst shooting in sports is your friend.
Another thing many photographers forget (myself included) is the emotion shots. We get so caught up in trying to catch the action we forget there is other stories going on. Sometimes the best shots can be of the players on the court after a point and either their celebration or dejection if it was scored against them. Emotion in sports is compelling. Even shooting reactions of players on the bench watching can give you great images. Don’t give up on the shot either. Another example might be when someone is serving. My tendency is to automatically follow the ball and try and catch the action on the other side. Sometimes the best shot is to stay right on the player serving and catch their reaction to whether it was a good or bad serve. Be aware and look for those moments also. I think it was Barry Sanders mother who told him always act like you have been there before. So after a touch down he would just drop the ball(boring). But these look like high school kids, they haven’t been there before and they will show you lots of emotion if you look for it.
Great work looking forward to seeing more! Good luck.
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Yes I was focused on just trying to get good shots and not what else was going on. I do forget about the emotions and players actions, will work on that parents really like those photos. Yes I wish we had more Barry Sanders that play now, I loved him for that. Players now a days don't get it, too much money too bid of ego's. I am glad i grew up when I did. Thanks

Tom

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Oct 22, 2020 07:07:19   #
tshift Loc: Overland Park, KS.
 
david vt wrote:
Agree with these comments on the timing, and the emotional captures. Harder this season in vball, but the players are usually pumping each other up between points. Your SS and focus are nice.

I also agree with Jules about location. I like sitting at the net on either side. Shooting up from that angle to the net is dramatic. You are about on height with the setter, and low enough to get great dig shots, capturing faces, eyes, and ball all together.

I got a mid zoom lens to do this - a 50-150 on my crop d7200 which films the frame nicely if I am about 10 feet off the court line. The 16-85 was a tad short.
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Oct 22, 2020 07:14:20   #
tshift Loc: Overland Park, KS.
 
david vt wrote:
Agree with these comments on the timing, and the emotional captures. Harder this season in vball, but the players are usually pumping each other up between points. Your SS and focus are nice.

I also agree with Jules about location. I like sitting at the net on either side. Shooting up from that angle to the net is dramatic. You are about on height with the setter, and low enough to get great dig shots, capturing faces, eyes, and ball all together.

I got a mid zoom lens to do this - a 50-150 on my crop d7200 which films the frame nicely if I am about 10 feet off the court line. The 16-85 was a tad short.
Agree with these comments on the timing, and the e... (show quote)



I do need to get my angles down little better. With Covid there is more room to shoot from, can sit in bleachers bottom rows and not block anyone. It also makes standing and shooting ok and not blocking anyones vision of the court. I want to focus more on picking a player and hold focus on them to get action shots with ball better. Will see how Sub-State photos turn out this weekend. Thanks

Tom

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Oct 22, 2020 07:15:08   #
tshift Loc: Overland Park, KS.
 
pnittoly wrote:
Great shots Tom. Volleyball is difficult - fast moving and difficult lighting. You did an excellent job. Paul


Thanks I appreciate that!

Tom

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Oct 22, 2020 07:16:34   #
tshift Loc: Overland Park, KS.
 
Michael1079 wrote:
Terrific set!


Thanks Michael I appreciate that.

Tom

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Oct 22, 2020 09:06:53   #
tomcat
 
tshift wrote:
I do need to get my angles down little better. With Covid there is more room to shoot from, can sit in bleachers bottom rows and not block anyone. It also makes standing and shooting ok and not blocking anyones vision of the court. I want to focus more on picking a player and hold focus on them to get action shots with ball better. Will see how Sub-State photos turn out this weekend. Thanks

Tom


Aren't you worried about getting covid yourself? I have told my high school admin that I will not go into the gym to shoot any volleyball or basketball this year because they are allowing unmasked parents to go inside to watch the games.

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Oct 22, 2020 09:09:01   #
tomcat
 
tshift wrote:
I shoot in LED lighting which is great. I could try my 105mm f2.8 and see what that does. I have an ExpoDisk and I should learn how to use it. Being wide open is a really narrow focus range. Thanks

Tom


Have you had any problems with color shifting or banding under those LED lights? I know that the quartz halogens that are used outdoors on soccer/football fields will constantly cycle between the orange sodium filaments and the green mercury filaments.

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