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Oct 18, 2020 17:59:17   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
BebuLamar wrote:
The "Zed" body while lighter than the D850 but when you add the lenses and adapter or even if you use Z lenses the weight difference is small. Shouldn't switch due to weight issue.


๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ Exactly. The weight driver is the lenses, not the body.

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Oct 18, 2020 18:49:32   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
TriX wrote:
๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ Exactly. The weight driver is the lenses, not the body.



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Oct 18, 2020 20:30:56   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Most people do NOT mind f6.3 at the long end to save weight.
Especially if the IS is decent.


Could be. I don't know most people, so I just mentioned it.

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Oct 18, 2020 20:43:44   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Eric Bornstein wrote:
The Z50 is an entry level camera and may not have the technology that you experienced with the D850. Iโ€™m surprised that Nikon produced the 24-250 (or 200) much of the focal lengths between 24 and 70 have been covered. Obviously trying to woo the customer that wants a โ€˜walk around lensโ€™ with Ample focal lengths.


The original Z lens had no VR because IBIS was built into the camera. The Z50 does not have IBIS so the Z-DX lenses have VR. The 24 - 200 is a full frame with VR so it should be happy on any current Z body.

It seems like the FF department didn't work too closely with the DX department in the early stages of development.

The 2 DX kit lens for the Z50 together (16 - 250mm) cover an equivalent 24mm to 375mm.

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Oct 18, 2020 22:51:12   #
b top gun
 
I presume that the D780 has the same mount system as the D850 so should handle old manual focus lenses in the same manner and communicate similarly? No communication at all with old manual focus lenses mounted to the FTZ adapter is a deal breaker for me.

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Oct 18, 2020 23:26:30   #
b top gun
 
Hand held, at night, D850 with Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 manual focus lens...this is why I enjoy using those primes from my film days. I shot for about four hours after dark; all I used was the above mentioned camera combo.


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Oct 18, 2020 23:40:57   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
b top gun wrote:
Hand held, at night, D850 with Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 manual focus lens...this is why I enjoy using those primes from my film days. I shot for about four hours after dark; all I used was the above mentioned camera combo.


Very nice shot!

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Oct 19, 2020 01:00:36   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
b top gun wrote:
Hand held, at night, D850 with Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 manual focus lens...this is why I enjoy using those primes from my film days. I shot for about four hours after dark; all I used was the above mentioned camera combo.


That particular lens was one of the best. Very nice shot.

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Oct 19, 2020 06:03:07   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Top-Gun queried on the page one start: " Does anyone know whether those old primes might be compatible with a Z body with that FTX adapter? The other snag, would have to get a Z mount lens, so that gets the investment into any Z system into the questionable to doubtful range."

Camera/lens combo functions are at times confusing and also "new" is expensive and we are spoiled if we have a drawer of good-ol'-lenses that are readily available on e-Bay. My example is the Minolta AF [Alpha mount] lenses that fit and function well with all Sony AF Alpha cameras. That determined my DSLR camera choice. Then Sony switched to the e-mount and so for those e-mount Sony people the lens world got very expensive. There were millions-godzillions of those lenses made from 1985 on to 2010 when the e-mount cameras started. Sony confused the issue by calling some of their e-Mounts "Alpha."

I have some lenses for my Sony Alpha [AF Mount] that were dirt cheap... 100mm Macro for $10 and a group of 3 different mm for $51 priced as tho they were abandoned dogs and cats looking for a good home [$17 each !]. I did not need them but I too have lens acquisition syndrome ... occasionally. I do not want to think of the day when my Alpha camera poops!!

I sympathize with B-Top-Gun and the rest of Nikon people who have a much more confusing world wondering what works with what and related expense when upgrading and finding their old lenses do not work; My Sony life is easier, A or e mount ... does or does-it-not is clear cut.

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Oct 19, 2020 06:46:35   #
Walkabout08
 
Try the Z6 with the f4 24-70Z lens. I think youโ€™ll find the light weight of the system addresses your issue with the d850. The Z7 would also answer the issue but cost you more. With the FTZ adapter you can use any F mount lens but with limitations on functionality depending upon their age. Note that both these cameras will have significant price discounts in the near future as the II generation models are shipped. From what I be read the new bodies wonโ€™t offer me things I need like a second card slot or faster af, so Iโ€™ll be keeping my Z7 and invest in more Z glass. The Z lenses are really very good, even the f4 lenses which are really light weight. I suggest you rent a Z6 and f4 lens from lens rentals and see if they work for you. Good luck

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Oct 19, 2020 06:46:50   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
dpullum wrote:
Top-Gun queried on the page one start: " Does anyone know whether those old primes might be compatible with a Z body with that FTX adapter? The other snag, would have to get a Z mount lens, so that gets the investment into any Z system into the questionable to doubtful range."

Camera/lens combo functions are at times confusing and also "new" is expensive and we are spoiled if we have a drawer of good-ol'-lenses that are readily available on e-Bay. My example is the Minolta AF [Alpha mount] lenses that fit and function well with all Sony AF Alpha cameras. That determined my DSLR camera choice. Then Sony switched to the e-mount and so for those e-mount Sony people the lens world got very expensive. There were millions-godzillions of those lenses made from 1985 on to 2010 when the e-mount cameras started. Sony confused the issue by calling some of their e-Mounts "Alpha."

I have some lenses for my Sony Alpha [AF Mount] that were dirt cheap... 100mm Macro for $10 and a group of 3 different mm for $51 priced as tho they were abandoned dogs and cats looking for a good home [$17 each !]. I did not need them but I too have lens acquisition syndrome ... occasionally. I do not want to think of the day when my Alpha camera poops!!

I sympathize with B-Top-Gun and the rest of Nikon people who have a much more confusing world wondering what works with what and related expense when upgrading and finding their old lenses do not work; My Sony life is easier, A or e mount ... does or does-it-not is clear cut.
Top-Gun queried on the page one start: " Does... (show quote)


Same with Canon.
They all work.
Unless you are over 60 and might have a very old lens.
Then ancient lens still mounts with the adapter and works manually as it did before.

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Oct 19, 2020 07:06:15   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
b top gun wrote:
Have worked my way from a Nikon D70s, to a D80, then a D300 and finally a D7100 before jumping into the very deep end and getting a D850, my first and only FX digital. Have had it for almost two years now, lots to learn about it, part of the challenge I accepted. The only downside is the darn weight of the camera; after a while it eventually gets to be more than I want to carry; three full days and nights at Disneyland in June of 2019 convinced me of that. That is when I started considering something between my D7100 and D850; something preferably FX. Have been thinking about a Z6, now a Z6 II; the snag, I have several older Nikkor manual focus primes from film days; they do OK on the D7100; they do even better on the D850. I enjoy putting one of those primes on either body and going photo op hunting for the day and getting creative. Those primes also do pretty well with taking video. Does anyone know whether those old primes might be compatible with a Z body with that FTX adapter? The other snag, would have to get a Z mount lens, so that gets the investment into any Z system into the questionable to doubtful range. Second option is a D780, the main challenge there....PRICE! I am intrigued by its video capabilities as hyped by Nikon; I especially want in camera time lapse, have enjoyed doing some of those with my D850; D7100 cannot do in camera time lapse video. Third option would be a D750, either a very good preowned or new; the price differential between a new D750 and the D780 is significant enough to make me seriously consider a D750 even though it is older technology. I shoot primarily 'scapes, land and sea; rarely do wildlife or people events or sports. Also do low light and some night shooting. My FX lenses are Nikon 24-70 and 70-200; have used both on both the D7100 and D850. At present the 70-200 is on the D7100. Suggestions???
Have worked my way from a Nikon D70s, to a D80, th... (show quote)


You'll get a 13.5 oz savings with a Z6 (1 lb 8 oz), and a 6 oz savings with a D750 (1 lb 13.5 oz) vs the D850 (2 lbs 3.5 oz) . Your 24-70 weighs 2 lbs, and the 70-200 FL weighs 3 lbs 2 oz. So comparing the heaviest body with the heaviest lens (D850 with 70-200) - 5 lbs 5.5 oz - and the lightest body with heaviest lens (Z6 with 70-200) 4 lb 10 oz - you only get a 14% weight reduction. Are you sure it's worth it?

Here's a thought. If you really want a weight reduction, go to a really good bridge camera like a Sony RX10M4. No issue with legacy lenses, total weight is only 2.5 lbs, and it includes a 24-600 (equivalent) F2.4-F4 Zeiss lens. It has excellent video, btw. Not ideal for landscapes or night shooting like dark sky, but you now have the best camera for that - the D850. The new camera would be for everything else when you are shooting casually.

This is a sample of some of my Sony shots -

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157708803907866
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157708793788371
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157689083645890
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157694805547345
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157665487054018
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157693140571925
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157665486900208
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157690214837382

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Oct 19, 2020 07:30:45   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
b top gun wrote:
Whatever system will work better shooting the Oregon Pacific coast and/or the Columbia River gorge during a winter storm or Lake Superior when the "gales of November" come crashing!!! The question is...how weather resistant is the "Zed" system?


Watched the intro the other day. The cameras are sealed like the higher end DSLR are. You would have to check the lens by each but, I believe they are all weather resistant.

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Oct 19, 2020 07:34:56   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Bill_de wrote:
Could be. I don't know most people, so I just mentioned it.

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Oct 19, 2020 07:37:41   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
b top gun wrote:
Hand held, at night, D850 with Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 manual focus lens...this is why I enjoy using those primes from my film days. I shot for about four hours after dark; all I used was the above mentioned camera combo.


Nice! I would have that printed on Alluminum!

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