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Oct 21, 2020 10:00:23   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Yes the OP likes using his old manual focus primes and yes the weight savings are less with the FTZ adapter, (although I could split hairs and say it’s actually 130g, not 150g). He also said that his FX lenses were the 24-70 and 70-200. He also said the problem came when he carried the camera for 3 days at Disneyland. I’m guessing that he would have been using the 24-70 for those days. He could sell the F mount lens and pick up a Z mount 24-70 f/4 and come out ahead money wise. Those manual primes most certainly weight a lot less than the zooms, so the times he was using those the weight wouldn’t be as much if an issue.
Yes the OP likes using his old manual focus primes... (show quote)


Spec from the Nikon website:

Specifications
Type
Mount adapter
Supported cameras
Nikon 1 interchangeable lens format digital cameras (Nikon 1 V1 supported from firmware version A 1.10/B 1.10, Nikon 1 J1 from firmware version A 1.10/B 1.10)
Dimensions
Approx. 61.5 mm diameter (excluding projections) x 42.5 mm
Weight
Approx. 150 g/5.3 oz
Supplied Accessories
Body Cap BF-1B
Rear Lens Cap LF-N1000

Yes, he could go to the 24-70 f4 Z, but he loses a full stop in speed, so not really an apples to apples comparison. If he was willing to go to an f4, there are plenty of options to do that with the 850 and save weight.

Again, you’re just not going to save substantial weight moving from DSLR to mirrorless if you want to keep the same format, performance and lens speed - the real answer is to move to a crop body and appropriate lenses. My Fuji with a 90mm f2 is about half the size and weight of my Canon 5D4 with the 135 f2L. It is a stop worse in low light/high ISO and 24 MP vs 30, but that’s the extent of the compromises. I can’t bring myself to sell the FF Canon - it has its place, but as good as it is, I won’t be moving to an R5 as I get older, I’ll be buying more Fuji glass instead. It has nothing to do with the Fuji being mirrorless and everything to do with the size and weight. Btw, it’s a lot easier to get the Fuji past the gate/door security into a concert than the FF Canon.

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Oct 21, 2020 10:04:19   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Canisdirus wrote:
CNET is the source...pretty reliable.


CNET doesn’t specify whether it includes a battery and card or not, but if you check other sources you’ll see that their weight for the D850 is without battery and card while the weight for the Z7 includes them.

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Oct 21, 2020 10:06:02   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
TriX wrote:
Spec from the Nikon website:

Specifications
Type
Mount adapter
Supported cameras
Nikon 1 interchangeable lens format digital cameras (Nikon 1 V1 supported from firmware version A 1.10/B 1.10, Nikon 1 J1 from firmware version A 1.10/B 1.10)
Dimensions
Approx. 61.5 mm diameter (excluding projections) x 42.5 mm
Weight
Approx. 150 g/5.3 oz
Supplied Accessories
Body Cap BF-1B
Rear Lens Cap LF-N1000

Yes, he could go to the 24-70 f4 Z, but he loses a full stop in speed, so not really an apples to apples comparison. If he was willing to go to an f4, there are plenty of options to do that with the 850 and save weight.
Spec from the Nikon website: br br Specifications... (show quote)


For most shooting that 1 stop is no big deal, especially if he’s going to a Z6 and it’s high ISO capabilities, and there is no comparable Nikon F mount lens at F/4.

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Oct 21, 2020 10:13:36   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
For most shooting that 1 stop is no big deal, especially if he’s going to a Z6 and it’s high ISO capabilities, and there is no comparable Nikon F mount lens at F/4.


Sure there is. How about the 24-120 FX at ~700G vs 900g for the 24-70 f2.8. But the point is, if you’re willing to give up that stop of low light performance, why not just move to a crop body and save half the weight as I mentioned above. And BTW, the D850 is just as good at low light/high ISO as the Z7 and the Z6 is only 1/3 stop better (and it gives up 2/3 stop DR and 20 MP to the 850). No free lunch.

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Oct 21, 2020 10:53:43   #
Canisdirus
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
CNET doesn’t specify whether it includes a battery and card or not, but if you check other sources you’ll see that their weight for the D850 is without battery and card while the weight for the Z7 includes them.


Dp review comes up with the same figures...
Either way... 4 ounces.
I think some folks need to do some pushups...
I'm not a bruiser (only 6'1 200 lbs)...but I can walk around for hours at a time with a 10 lb rig and handhold.

Mirrorless cameras were initially designed for the Asian market...folks with small hands. Everyone was surprised to see them take off in the US.
If a few ounces is a big deal...use a cellphone.

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Oct 21, 2020 13:01:41   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Mirrorless cameras were initially designed for the Asian market...folks with small hands. Everyone was surprised to see them take off in the US.


That might be the most ridiculous statement you’ve made in a long history of ridiculous statements.

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Oct 21, 2020 14:04:37   #
Danno1602 Loc: Kentucky
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Mirrorless cameras were initially designed for the Asian market...folks with small hands. Everyone was surprised to see them take off in the US.
If a few ounces is a big deal...use a cellphone.


I once was 10 feet tall and bulletproof. Civilians tended to cross the street when my friends and I walked through... but a few strokes and things change very quickly. You never know how life might change.

I am thankful for mirrorless, especially the Z6. I can still manage my D700 with a grip but I prefer my Z6.

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Oct 21, 2020 14:17:56   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Danno1602 wrote:
I once was 10 feet tall and bulletproof. Civilians tended to cross the street when my friends and I walked through... but a few strokes and things change very quickly. You never know how life might change.

I am thankful for mirrorless, especially the Z6. I can still manage my D700 with a grip but I prefer my Z6.


Boy, do I know what you mean (2 heart attacks later).

Take care,
Chris

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Oct 21, 2020 16:08:14   #
Canisdirus
 
Danno1602 wrote:
I once was 10 feet tall and bulletproof. Civilians tended to cross the street when my friends and I walked through... but a few strokes and things change very quickly. You never know how life might change.

I am thankful for mirrorless, especially the Z6. I can still manage my D700 with a grip but I prefer my Z6.


Yes, we all get to that point...unfortunately.
But a few ounces isn't going to make that big of a difference.
I will go with a cellphone at that point.
Their photographic advances are the future anyway.

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Oct 21, 2020 19:16:48   #
Danno1602 Loc: Kentucky
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Yes, we all get to that point...unfortunately.
But a few ounces isn't going to make that big of a difference.
I will go with a cellphone at that point.
Their photographic advances are the future anyway.


We will just have to agree to disagree.

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Oct 21, 2020 21:48:53   #
Canisdirus
 
Danno1602 wrote:
We will just have to agree to disagree.


I have gone mirrorless myself...but have found the weight of the lenses offsets any weight savings from the body. We all want the 'fastest' lenses....and they get...big and fat and wide to be that.

But the allure sure does sell equipment.

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Oct 22, 2020 07:11:51   #
Danno1602 Loc: Kentucky
 
Canisdirus wrote:
I have gone mirrorless myself...but have found the weight of the lenses offsets any weight savings from the body. We all want the 'fastest' lenses....and they get...big and fat and wide to be that.

But the allure sure does sell equipment.


Yes, the IBIS, EVF, and the WYSIWYG are the things that made the difference. The weight reduction over my gripped D700 was a plus. I also love the glass. The f4 zooms and f1.8 primes really have impressed me.

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Oct 23, 2020 23:48:29   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
DavidPine wrote:
I have a slew of Nikon DSLRs and I like them. I also have a Z50, Z5, Z6 and Z7. I have a Sony and 3 Canons. I like cameras and I'm not finished yet. The really fun camera and lens combo is the Z50/24-250. Biggest surprise I've had in a while.


The z50 is definitely on my “consider” list. Similar in size to my D3400. Can use all of my half dozen AF S and P lenses and the new z mount 50-250 intrigues me. Could be very happy in Disneyland with that kit.

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