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Oct 20, 2020 08:05:31   #
Canisdirus
 
Brucej67 wrote:
While you may be right and others are reporting the financial difficulty's of Nikon Camera division (and generally the camera industry) it does not invalidate the cameras as not worthy of consideration. The Nikon cameras will not stop working even if Nikon Camera division bellies up and I am sure when and if it comes to that some other manufacturer will pick the Nikon Camera division up just as Sony picked up the old Minolta camera company. While the Z series may lag behind in technology as compared to the Sony A7R IV they still (in the hands of people that know how to use them) produce fantastic images. Yes, if I was starting out with no lenses or cameras I might be tempted to Sony or Canon, however with an investment of over $70,000 in Nikon equipment I am not prepared to take a loss of that magnitude when I get superior images with what I have.
While you may be right and others are reporting th... (show quote)


Yes, it is worth consideration...but...Nikon could have done much better.
Perhaps they just can't (financials). It's regrettable.
They cut their R&D budget...which could be the canary in the coal mine.

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Oct 20, 2020 08:29:33   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Yes, it is worth consideration...but...Nikon could have done much better.
Perhaps they just can't (financials). It's regrettable.
They cut their R&D budget...which could be the canary in the coal mine.


We will have to wait and see. The rumored Z9 (which could be their flag ship camera) which is supposed to be announced next year could be Nikon's chance to prove themselves.

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Oct 20, 2020 09:44:55   #
Canisdirus
 
Brucej67 wrote:
We will have to wait and see. The rumored Z9 (which could be their flag ship camera) which is supposed to be announced next year could be Nikon's chance to prove themselves.


Indeed. The Z9 will either make or break Nikon.

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Oct 20, 2020 09:53:38   #
tomcat
 


thanks for the tip. I just watched this video and put these tips in my notes. I already had a3 set to "quick". Do you know this guy's name so I can put it in my notes?

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Oct 20, 2020 10:06:51   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
tomcat wrote:
thanks for the tip. I just watched this video and put these tips in my notes. I already had a3 set to "quick". Do you know this guy's name so I can put it in my notes?


I don't know his name, I found him on a search on how to speed up auto focus on Nikon Z cameras. It worked for me and now both Z6 and Z7 are fast auto focusing and personally I have the D850 and comparing focusing speed I can't tell the difference, though someone else might.

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Oct 20, 2020 10:15:59   #
tomcat
 
Brucej67 wrote:
I don't know his name, I found him on a search on how to speed up auto focus on Nikon Z cameras. It worked for me and now both Z6 and Z7 are fast auto focusing and personally I have the D850 and comparing focusing speed I can't tell the difference, though someone else might.


Thanks Bruce. I've already sent these tips to a great friend of mine, one of the first folks to get his hands on a Z camera. A year ago he gave me a lot of info on how to set this beast up and I shared those tips earlier somewhere in this thread, I think (or maybe another thread in UHH). While I was panning around the living room this morning, those changes did seem to make the focus jump quicker--haven't had my coffee yet and the peace lily won't stop running around the room ahead of me.....I was up late, processing some soccer pictures.

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Oct 20, 2020 10:32:00   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Grahame wrote:
I'll answer from my own experience.

My passion is road races/marathons and have had the oppurtunity to use the Z6 twice shooting these since getting it a month ago. One of the toughest challenges is capturing a runner that is coming straight towards you, panning him (following) with me turning through 90 degrees with the last shot with him being perpendicular to the camera, e.g. a side shot of him.

I have had absolutely no problems tracking (dynamic AF) capturing up to 8 indavidual single shots (not CL/HL bursts) with each fully in focus. Whilst theoretically there is of course an EVF refresh lag, I don't notice it and it does not hinder me or cause any lost shots.

From some of what has been written I get the impression that people may be taking continous bursts (L & H or H*) and at the same time have the EVF 'preview' turned on which will cause real time view loss, something I never do.

Shot a couple of days ago, even with the theoretical EVF redraw time lag of milliseconds what 'real world' affect would it of had on this capture.
I'll answer from my own experience. br br My pass... (show quote)


NIce shot! I rarely shoot bursts of more than a couple of shots either when shooting sports - usually I anticipate. The “Z” certainly seems to be working for you.

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Oct 20, 2020 10:43:55   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
tomcat wrote:
Shooting at Nikon's standard H continuous mode and not the H+ extended continuous mode, I can indeed pan quickly and keep the fast moving subject in the confines of the EVF at real-time. I do this often when shooting high school basketball as a player drives the lane to the basket. Sometimes I can tell by the look in his eyes when he is getting ready to drive, so I'll hit AF-ON and give him a split second lead and then start taking pictures. I can follow him all the way from the free throw lane to the basket, but again, who needs 50-60 pictures of almost identical poses? So I will pause for a second and then resume, all the while viewing in real-time EVF. I stand by the edge of the lane and not under the basket and use my 85mm f/1.8 S lens for the middle schooler and JV. Sometimes, I'll use a 50mm for the varsity guys.

Honestly, TriX, I have adapted the past year that I've had this camera and learned how to adjust my shooting style to follow the action. I do not shoot birds so I don't know how this would work for them. I really believe that most of the criticism is from folks that expected to use this camera straight out of the box as a point and shoot. I remember a couple of years ago a bunch of complaints about the D850 not being sharp, but you don't hear anyone complaining now because either they learned to use it or sold it... ha ha.

Off the record, I have had some great sports shots with this Z6, but landscapes are not very satisfactory to me. I want to learn how to shoot jpegs and landscapes with the Z6 to better control the DR, as I don't like the Z6 images I get with vacation photos.
Shooting at Nikon's standard H continuous mode and... (show quote)


Thanks Tom, I appreciate the insights. I agree that the most important thing shooting sports (and indoors is certainly more challenging!) is to be intimately familiar with your equipment - no time to be searching for a setting. In addition to teaching photography and graphic design (HS), my youngest son is the wrestling coach, so I typically shoot almost every match, both for the parents and the yearbook (and very occasionally, I get a shot published in the paper). Wrestling is very different from BB, which I shoot some also - relatively slow movement followed by bursts of speed, so anticipation and knowing the sport is important. I can typically get by with 1/250, but prefer 1/500 for BB which often has a little better lighting. As you know well, HS gyms can be VERY dark. I, like you, shoot fast lenses and am often at ISO 10,000 or 12,800. More and more, I’m taking my 135 f2L instead of my 70-200 f2.8. I’ve really missed it this season, which has been cancelled here.

Cheers

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Oct 20, 2020 10:59:17   #
tomcat
 
TriX wrote:
Thanks Tom, I appreciate the insights. I agree that the most important thing shooting sports (and indoors is certainly more challenging!) is to be intimately familiar with your equipment - no time to be searching for a setting. In addition to teaching photography and graphic design (HS), my youngest son is the wrestling coach, so I typically shoot almost every match, both for the parents and the yearbook (and very occasionally, I get a shot published in the paper). Wrestling is very different from BB, which I shoot some also - relatively slow movement followed by bursts of speed, so anticipation and knowing the sport is important. I can typically get by with 1/250, but prefer 1/500 for BB which often has a little better lighting. As you know well, HS gyms can be VERY dark. I, like you, shoot fast lenses and am often at ISO 10,000 or 12,800. More and more, I’m taking my 135 f2L instead of my 70-200 f2.8. I’ve really missed it this season, which has been cancelled here.

Cheers
Thanks Tom, I appreciate the insights. I agree tha... (show quote)



Thanks TriX for sharing your personals. We seem to have arrived at the same destination with our shooting styles and equipment for those sports moments. I shot only my 2nd soccer game yesterday because others had been rained out--I only go to the home games. Near the end of the slow moving game (final score was 1-0), I realized that my heart is no longer in this now. I got the same great action shots that I always do, but it was more of a job than it was the fun that it has been in the past. Perhaps, in part, because it was my last game, and in part because I realized that it could be my last sports job at the school. I will not go inside the gym for basketball because the gym can likely be a covid-19 incubator, so I think I am done until my grandkids play a couple of years from now. For now, my wife and I will resume our day trips through the State. I likely will purchase the Z50 for her, to replace the weight of the D500 and its associated lenses, for her hikes throughout the parks. We will visit the mountains once the leaf peeper craze has died down, but for now, there are enough Revolutionary War sites in the central/eastern NC area to keep us busy (not any Revolutionary War stuff out west {didn't exist then}). I gotta learn to shoot jpegs and landscapes with the Z cameras. I have become so specialized with sports, I'm not that good at landscapes now, but I'll get there. Good luck with your kids and sports stuff too.

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Oct 21, 2020 06:48:53   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
ClarkJohnson wrote:
Talk about distortion! The picture is so distorted that it makes the Red-Tail Hawk look like an Osprey

Other than that, it is a great capture!


I just ran across this on the banding issue, what do you think of it? https://photographylife.com/the-reality-behind-nikon-z-banding-issues I guess I never noticed it being shade blind (and yes I usually underexpose) ETTL instead of ETTR and bring back the highlights.

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Oct 21, 2020 09:13:26   #
tomcat
 
Brucej67 wrote:
I just ran across this on the banding issue, what do you think of it? https://photographylife.com/the-reality-behind-nikon-z-banding-issues I guess I never noticed it being shade blind (and yes I usually underexpose) ETTL instead of ETTR and bring back the highlights.


Thanks for sharing this Bruce. The bottom line is that the Nikons are still the best low light options and have been for several years. This is not my opinion, but based on real-life comparisons with acquaintances shooting both Canon and Sony from gymnastic competitions and then comparing images during a break. All of us wanted to "show off" our captures. The Lifetouch photographers were dead in the water with their Canon and the f/2.8 lenses when compared to my Nikon stuff during a basketball game in this hysterical (er, I mean historical) dim gym...if you say "dim gym" really fast 3 times it seem like a Korean basketball game.

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Oct 26, 2020 07:50:00   #
robirdman
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Two youtubers (both longtime Nikon users) weigh in on the Nikon Z6II and Z7II:

Matt Granger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAtJ3ryd3_Q

Jared Polin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWOereacUtk


Looked at the Granger video where he said Z7 1 was behind Canon's 1st release. My friend shoots Canon and bought their digital about the same time as my Z7 1. We both shoot birds a lot with big lenses. He said he couldn't get birds in flight, while I got lots of nice videos. He complained about how the buffer was slow, and how the video cropped from the photo. In the Z7 1 it only automatically crops in slow motion mode. He was very disappointed. So Matt can prattle on, without really shooting anything.
Now my friend got the latest Canon digital and yes it seems to exceed the Z7 2. Can shoot flying birds, 8K video, no wakeup time. He is happy.

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