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Oct 12, 2020 09:19:28   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Defunding Police

I keep hearing where the Democrats (mostly) want to defund the police and use that money for other items they say will cut crime. Can anyone tell me without writing a book what they think investing that money in is going to have any significant crime reduction. Seems to me defunding the police will make them less responsive or available if someone needs help and defunding doesn't seem to me a very bright idea?


The function of the police is quite important, but some departments need to be completely repopulated.

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Oct 12, 2020 09:21:06   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
dpullum wrote:
Poor choice of words can ruin a good idea, defunding should have been Refunding and people would climb on board. Refunding is a redistribution and education of law enforcement. Guns and chokeholds are not the answer to all situations.

Pulling up in a squad car and shooting a 12-year-old boy who had a toy gun is a prime example. Google "12-year-old boy with a toy gun was shot/k**led from the window of a squad car." Refunding with better police education, and funding people other than police is a good idea. Police should not fight fires with a gun, nor de-escalate a home dispute with demands rather than questions and alternatives.

Trump should be defunded so that he will not try to cure C****-** with injections of bleach.
Poor choice of words can ruin a good idea, defundi... (show quote)


Refunding requires removal from one place in order to go to another...

And you had to make it political.

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Oct 12, 2020 09:21:59   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
TriX wrote:
I don’t believe this is a partisan issue (Democrat or Republican). This absurd idea seems to be a product of the recent B*M type protests - that’s the first I ever heard of it. The LAST thing we need is less police or police that are paid less (in my opinion).


We do not need police that are paid less. For many situations the most important sk**ls may not be law enforcement training.

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Oct 12, 2020 09:22:37   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Retired CPO wrote:
I'm sure you heard about the big rally trying to push the idea of defunding the police. They were really disappointed when the police wouldn't provide crowd control.


Don't quit your day job.

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Oct 12, 2020 09:22:42   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Longshadow wrote:
I think it's an asinine idea.
Using money elsewhere and reducing police coverage will increase crime (more the latter).
I wonder what they're smoking.


most rational folks share your views....its a no-brainer

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Oct 12, 2020 09:24:08   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
dpullum wrote:
Poor choice of words can ruin a good idea, defunding should have been Refunding and people would climb on board. Refunding is a redistribution and education of law enforcement. Guns and chokeholds are not the answer to all situations.

Pulling up in a squad car and shooting a 12-year-old boy who had a toy gun is a prime example. Google "12-year-old boy with a toy gun was shot/k**led from the window of a squad car." Refunding with better police education, and funding people other than police is a good idea. Police should not fight fires with a gun, nor de-escalate a home dispute with demands rather than questions and alternatives.

Trump should be defunded so that he will not try to cure C****-** with injections of bleach.
Poor choice of words can ruin a good idea, defundi... (show quote)


your computer should be taken away

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Oct 12, 2020 09:25:36   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
TriX wrote:
My thoughts exactly. Well targeted social/housing/medical/mental health/jobs programs may help reduce crime (poverty drives crime), but can you imagine the chaos if we were stupid enough to reduce our police force? In my city, we could use more police, not less. In Raleigh, we don’t have enough traffic cops (50 Mph is getting to be the standard speed in 35mph residential streets, red light running is common and stop signs are regularly ignored), the police often don’t even bother to investigate/prosecute property crimes, and they were apparently unable to protect our downtown from being vandalized repeatedly during the recent demonstrations. Citizens are uncomfortable enough that you can’t find a home defense shotgun for sale at any of the local gun stores - they are sold as soon as they come in.
My thoughts exactly. Well targeted social/housing/... (show quote)


They are unable to enforce these things, or unwilling? I believe in unions, but where public safety is concerned, there need to be things that are not negotiable.

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Oct 12, 2020 09:26:20   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
soba1 wrote:
People who need police the most want it the least.


I believe Malcom would have had you eliminated.

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Oct 12, 2020 09:28:07   #
Watash
 
soba1 wrote:
People who need police the most want it the least.


I was a law enforcement officer for 32 years. You, Sir, are exactly right!

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Oct 12, 2020 09:29:05   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Once power is obtained the local police will go away and the money will go to a federal force based on the Gestapo or the KGB.
That is how the democrats will keep "Crime" down.
They look to federalize more than the police to centralize all power in Washington and the democrat party.


Don't you have a "country of origin" that you could return to? Or, be returned to?

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Oct 12, 2020 09:29:57   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
thom w wrote:
I believe Malcom would have had you eliminated.

HAHAHAHA you actually think Soba gives a rats ass about what you believe????

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Oct 12, 2020 09:31:35   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
thom w wrote:
Don't you have a "country of origin" that you could return to? Or, be returned to?


let us all hope thomasina the waffle queen is the 1st one to call 911 when his local police is defunded!!

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Oct 12, 2020 09:59:47   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Fkaufman3 wrote:
The criminal does his crime out of greed not because of poverty...


You don’t believe crime is higher in poor neighborhoods (regardless of ethnicity)? I believe the facts show otherwise.

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Oct 12, 2020 10:09:55   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
thom w wrote:
They are unable to enforce these things, or unwilling? I believe in unions, but where public safety is concerned, there need to be things that are not negotiable.


Honestly, I don’t know. For example, here in Raleigh, the police protected the police dept. and the governor’s mansion and let the downtown business take the hit from the vandalism - that happened multiple nights. There seemed to be plenty of police on the streets, but whether they were incapable of stopping the vandalism, or instructed not to, only the mayor, the city manager and the police chief knows, and they are defending their actions, not stating the reasons - the fact that it was allowed is incomprehensible to me (and the downtown business owners). I completely agree that public safety should be non negotiable.

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Oct 12, 2020 10:14:01   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
thom w wrote:
Don't you have a "country of origin" that you could return to? Or, be returned to?


History eludes you.

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