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Oct 17, 2020 10:00:31   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
thom w wrote:
I believe Malcom would have had you eliminated.


There were different issues with the police back then. But even then Malcom said the police were necessary

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Oct 17, 2020 10:01:02   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Watosh wrote:
I was a law enforcement officer for 32 years. You, Sir, are exactly right!



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Oct 17, 2020 10:55:46   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Those who advocate defunding have allowed their ideology to cloud their judgement. The cure for this thinking is to let them have their way. NO police in those areas where defunding advocates live. An easy fix. I wonder how long it would take for those advocates to beg for the return, and refunding of police.

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Oct 17, 2020 11:42:31   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Retired CPO wrote:
Obviously you know nothing about me so stop making assumptions. I don't drink, never have. And obviously you know nothing about the military. No one can live on a retired Chief Petty Officer's pay.


Obviously you missed that the post was to thomw. Thanks for your service.

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Oct 17, 2020 11:59:41   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
boberic wrote:
Those who advocate defunding have allowed their ideology to cloud their judgement. The cure for this thinking is to let them have their way. NO police in those areas where defunding advocates live. An easy fix. I wonder how long it would take for those advocates to beg for the return, and refunding of police.



Who is advocating defunding the police beside a few protestors .

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Oct 17, 2020 13:15:30   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
DennyT wrote:
Who is advocating defunding the police beside a few protestors .


How many cities have already taken such steps?

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Oct 17, 2020 13:27:45   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
Huey Driver wrote:
No doubt this case was a tragedy but as you pointed out with the red barrel tip removed it would be hard if not impossible to know if the gun is real or not from even a short distance. Something the media seldom mentions is that most times when their is a police shooting it is because the victim many times is on drugs or alcohol or simply does not obey the officers command. That's really dumb in my book and I favor the side of the officers when this happens. Officers should not be expected to put their lives on the line when some fool won't obey simple commands such as stop, put down the weapon, get on the ground, etc. That's not the time to show the world how macho you think you are. Listen, obey, live and if you have a legitimate gripe settle it in court later I am not very sympathetic to the victim when they think they don't have to obey a command and "most" police shootings seem to be because the victims think they don't have to obey.
No doubt this case was a tragedy but as you pointe... (show quote)


I completely agree. And undermining police shootings with a media vilification and charging of the involved officers followed by settling with the criminal's family for huge sums does nothing to deter the next i***t.

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Oct 17, 2020 16:19:17   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
boberic wrote:
Those who advocate defunding have allowed their ideology to cloud their judgement. The cure for this thinking is to let them have their way. NO police in those areas where defunding advocates live. An easy fix. I wonder how long it would take for those advocates to beg for the return, and refunding of police.


and NO 911

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Oct 17, 2020 22:40:58   #
btbg
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Defunding Police

I keep hearing where the Democrats (mostly) want to defund the police and use that money for other items they say will cut crime. Can anyone tell me without writing a book what they think investing that money in is going to have any significant crime reduction. Seems to me defunding the police will make them less responsive or available if someone needs help and defunding doesn't seem to me a very bright idea?


The only thing that even remotely makes sense is mental health funding, but since we changed the law with hippa and other medical laws it is virtually impossible to force someone to get mental health treatment, so it won't work, but it is needed.

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Oct 17, 2020 22:43:37   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
btbg wrote:
The only thing that even remotely makes sense is mental health funding, but since we changed the law with hippa and other medical laws it is virtually impossible to force someone to get mental health treatment, so it won't work, but it is needed.


Regan and the ACLU to blame?
Or was it the beginning of what we now have.

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Oct 18, 2020 10:19:54   #
btbg
 
soba1 wrote:
Regan and the ACLU to blame?
Or was it the beginning of what we now have.


I know that the ACLU is partially responsible. I don't know about Reagan. Not sure who pushed to get mental health reform written into law that makes it harder to get someone with serious mental issues help.

Just know that it is really tough to get treatment for anyone who does not consent and how many seriously mentally ill people are aware enough to seek help? It would appear not many.

The vast majority of police shootings involve the mentally ill. Don't know how social services would help with that since the reason that police shoot mentally ill individuals is usually because they do something like come toward the officer with a knife and refuse to drop it. Can't see how a social worker can help someone with a knife who is paranoid.

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