Carusoswi

I was curious to see what the reaction would be on this forum in response to the Taylor indictment. I am surprised to see that, apparently, there is no reaction at all.

The indictment seems to ignore the innocent victim in this sorry incident.

What say you all?

Caruso

Curtis_Lowe Loc: Georgia

If you take the time and do some due diligence, you should find that indictments are brought against a person accused of committing a crime.
The Grand Jury found that a legitimate warrant was well-founded, properly issued, and correctly executed. When the police entered the apartment after announcing themselves, they were fired on by an occupant, Breonna Taylor's current boyfriend. Who said that he thought it was a home invasion, the police returned fire in the direction they believed the gunfire came from. Breonna Taylor was struck by the gunfire from the police after they returned fire. The Detective who was charged with reckless endangerment was outside and shot into the apartment (next door) in response to the gunfire.
So no crime was committed in the incident, not by the police executing the warrant, not by the boyfriend who was licensed to carry and defending (he thought) from a home invasion. Did you know these facts?

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

There are “facts” in dispute.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

I have to agree that the officers did not break any laws.

The problem is “ no knock warrants”. They should be done away with.

yds0066 Loc: Southwestern Illinois

Explain which are in dispute!

RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida

We don't know what went on in that Grand Jury. However, the appearance of what occurred is not helpful to anyone except maybe the individual law enforcement officers involved.

It is the appearance of impropriety that motivates the protests.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

I don't know, but I am opened minded enough to consider the different viewpoints. I am not in a position to make a judgement--I was not there.
And if I did have all the answers, my opinion would count for anything anyway.

Some neighbors have said that the cops did not announce themselves.
It is a tragedy that she was k**led.

tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio

There is a reason for the NK warrants.. There are some people that you really don't want to give a warning that you're coming to get them.
This whole situation is a terrible thing and I feel sometimes things just go wrong. Wrong place-wrong time.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

"This whole situation is a terrible thing and I feel sometimes things just go wrong. Wrong place-wrong time."

We agree.

yds0066 Loc: Southwestern Illinois

And some neighbors said they did announce themselves.
You are right, we will never know exactly what happened.

Bill 45

Reason for no comment is the fact grand jury has mudded the water so bad we may never find out who did what.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Sad to say the woman was dirty.
Here is a video with someone talking about the transcripts
https://youtu.be/HYL-2YIuLv8

pendennis

I'm originally from Kentucky, and I've served on a Grand Jury there. To this day, I will not discuss the proceedings or decision. That was 51 years ago. I took/take my oath seriously.

First, everything in the Commonwealth's Grand Jury system is confidential. Members are anonymous to the public, as are their proceedings. As with any grand jury, the process is somewhat tilted toward indictment. The Commonwealth's attorneys are not required to submit exculpatory evidence. They do, however, have to provide all evidence to the defense prior to any trial proceedings. The jurors empaneled are only required to have 9 v**es (of 12) to indict. There is no option for the Commonwealth's Attorney to go directly to a judge with an indictment. Their system is modeled closely on that of the Federal system, along with many other states.

I've read the screed about opening up the process, i.e. publishing names, process, evidence, etc. There are any number of reasons for secrecy and confidentiality. Common sense should tell folks that the jurors would be in dire peril if their identities were known to criminals.

There was testimony that at least one neighbor, and the subject of the search warrant himself, that the detectives knocked and announced themselves first. In addition, the detectives themselves stated the same. Now, testimony is secret, but witnesses are not bound to secrecy after testifying.

On my Facebook page, a friend, and his friends are calling the AG names which I wouldn't use toward a rabid dog. They are convinced that Breonna Taylor was stood against a wall and executed, that everyone involved lied, that the Grand Jury was all white, and totally anti-black. How they had access to the grand jury proceedings and makeup is beyond me. They're typical of the ilk who only want vengeance, not justice.

Breonna Taylor associated herself with criminals. As such she exposed herself, either purposely or not, to the danger of mortal danger. There is evidence she allowed her apartment to be used as a postal drop for illegal drugs. She didn't do anything which demanded death, but she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and it cost her her life; tragic, but avoidable.

There is a maxim that's used in combat, and is applicable to crime - Anything you do can get you shot -- including doing nothing.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

So what ? They are “suspects” no convicted people and still have their constitutional rights . No knock warrants in my opinion take away the mist fundamental
Right of innocent until proven guilty .

No knock warrants are used when police are to lazy to do their job . It’s an easy way out . If the occupants ( like this one) exercise. Their right to protect themselves then they are automatically in the wrong. .

https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/the_real_shock-and-awe_behind_no-knock_police_raids

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Facts not Facebook rumor

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/16/breonna-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/


The problem is no knock warrants.