jerryc41 wrote:
john merry wrote:
i recently purchased a cannon 10.22 wide angle lens only to find i get vignetting at anything below 18mm when useing a polorize filter or below 20mm when its screwed on top of its uv filter it dosnt happen on my 18.200mm lens the filters a the same brand and thickness eg its not the lens hood why is that
It's funny how vignetting is considered a fault in lenses, yet every editing program allows you to create vignettes for artistic effect.
Extreme example of "artistic" vignetting below.
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I totally agree,I often create vignetting ,both dark or light,during post processing!
I found the same problem on my 18 - 250 lens at wide angle; (18 - 22mm). One way around this is to buy a filter that is say 10mm bigger than the Lens thread of your lens and a step-up ring to go with it. My lens is 72mm thread, so I bought an 82mm thread/diameter circ polariser filter and a 72 - 82mm step-up ring for it. Hope this works for you.
jerryc41 wrote:
john merry wrote:
i recently purchased a cannon 10.22 wide angle lens only to find i get vignetting at anything below 18mm when useing a polorize filter or below 20mm when its screwed on top of its uv filter it dosnt happen on my 18.200mm lens the filters a the same brand and thickness eg its not the lens hood why is that
It's funny how vignetting is considered a fault in lenses, yet every editing program allows you to create vignettes for artistic effect.
Extreme example of "artistic" vignetting below.
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Jerryc41 --
Very nice. Is that a loon?
Reminded me of a poem I wrote some years ago. See it below. Your picture is a good illustration of the poem's second verse.
Would you mind if I shared your picture with some friends? I would of course give you credit for the shot! If you are willing to share your name, I will give full credit..otherwise you will just be Jerry. Anyway, here is the poem:
George Lake Evensong
These late summer days
the sun is brittle in skies
of silvery haze.
The light plays
quietly on quartzite grays,
then dives
with sparkling displays
into water like a window
shattered.
But evening like
a waterfowl canoes
across the mirrored trees.
Over the deep blues
of the lake
the last silver arrows
speed in the wake
of the loon,
and then the day is gone.
Joe Veltman
A friend of mine has been an art history professor for his entire career. For most of that he has also been a photographer. As well, he has also been a judge at photographic events of all sorts.
He tells me that as a judge, and in the profession, mild vignetting is considered plus points. The reason is that a vignette keeps the eye from wandering off the corner borders of the photograph. Adobe and other publishers of editing software obviously know that if they create tools to add vignette to images.
It might be well to know how the judges score on this if you are planning to enter photographic contest events.
He also told me that very strict events only allow for white as a mat and MAY allow for a slightly wider bottom measurement. That's for both B/W and color photographs. Colored Mats will lose points in strict art judging events.
This can mostly be verified by searching the internet for judging protocols for photographic art.
Be hell to enter an event and find that you lost by the points taken away for colored mat, or that you could have won by points added for a mild vignette.
DannyJS wrote:
I found the same problem on my 18 - 250 lens at wide angle; (18 - 22mm). One way around this is to buy a filter that is say 10mm bigger than the Lens thread of your lens and a step-up ring to go with it. My lens is 72mm thread, so I bought an 82mm thread/diameter circ polariser filter and a 72 - 82mm step-up ring for it. Hope this works for you.
The step up ring is a good solution and very versatile...
Buy one size step up ring... quite large. Then buy step ups to that size for all your other lenses. Then you can buy better grade filters as you are not buying a set for every lens. The only things that differ are the stepup rings, which are less expensive with no glass in them.. minimal quality issues.
PrairieSeasons wrote:
john merry wrote:
i recently purchased a cannon 10.22 wide angle lens only to find i get vignetting at anything below 18mm when useing a polorize filter or below 20mm when its screwed on top of its uv filter it dosnt happen on my 18.200mm lens the filters a the same brand and thickness eg its not the lens hood why is that
You will need to get a slim or ultra slim filter. B&H lets you select for only slim (one of the selections on the left side of the page).
Make sure you understand how you want to use the filter and read the reviews. Some are so thin that they will not accept a lens cap, and you will have to make other choices in how and when you want to use the filter.
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I get vignetting at 10&11mm when stacking my thick UV and CPL on my Sigma 10-20 lens. Knowing this allows you to decide how and when you want to use the effect. This not a fault of the lens of filter makers, it just is. PrarieSeasons is correct about using slim filters.
PrairieSeasons wrote:
john merry wrote:
i recently purchased a cannon 10.22 wide angle lens only to find i get vignetting at anything below 18mm when useing a polorize filter or below 20mm when its screwed on top of its uv filter it dosnt happen on my 18.200mm lens the filters a the same brand and thickness eg its not the lens hood why is that
You will need to get a slim or ultra slim filter. B&H lets you select for only slim (one of the selections on the left side of the page).
Make sure you understand how you want to use the filter and read the reviews. Some are so thin that they will not accept a lens cap, and you will have to make other choices in how and when you want to use the filter.
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Just because it is "slim" is no guarantee of no vignetting. Go to a store and try one out first before you buy it online. Or maybe start a thread asking others about slim polarizers and that specific lens.
There are times and reasons to stack filters.... This ain't one of them. I would presume the UV is on there for lens protection, if you are going to put on the polorizer, there is no need for the UV, so remove it while you are using the CP.
pappy0352 wrote:
My 2 cents on your post. I never stack filters, if you are going to use a polarize then you should that the uv off.
Pappy
jerryc41 wrote:
john merry wrote:
i recently purchased a cannon 10.22 wide angle lens only to find i get vignetting at anything below 18mm when useing a polorize filter or below 20mm when its screwed on top of its uv filter it dosnt happen on my 18.200mm lens the filters a the same brand and thickness eg its not the lens hood why is that
Polarizers and wide angle lenses don't play well together.
The picture below was taken with a polarizer and a Tokina 11-16mm, set at 35mm equivalent of 24mm. I like the effect.
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I don't see vignetting here - just the effect of the right side of the lens looking at the magic 90 deg angle from the sun.
just because i felt like it.
pwew no lions around
it's down there somewhere
my back yard
bull drink water wrote:
just because i felt like it.
Well, that's not adequate to diminish the poor lil' ol' animal's habitat further - we're already closing in on them from all angles and leaving them no place to go as it is without photoshoppin' the hell out of their environment. :-)
gessman wrote:
bull drink water wrote:
just because i felt like it.
Well, that's not adequate to diminish the poor lil' ol' animal's habitat further - we're already closing in on them for all angles and leaving them no place to go as it is without photoshoppin' the hell out of their environment. :-)
why are you surprised, we're doing it to ourselves.
saichiez wrote:
A friend of mine has been an art history professor for his entire career. For most of that he has also been a photographer. As well, he has also been a judge at photographic events of all sorts.
He tells me that as a judge, and in the profession, mild vignetting is considered plus points. The reason is that a vignette keeps the eye from wandering off the corner borders of the photograph. Adobe and other publishers of editing software obviously know that if they create tools to add vignette to images.
It might be well to know how the judges score on this if you are planning to enter photographic contest events.
He also told me that very strict events only allow for white as a mat and MAY allow for a slightly wider bottom measurement. That's for both B/W and color photographs. Colored Mats will lose points in strict art judging events.
This can mostly be verified by searching the internet for judging protocols for photographic art.
Be hell to enter an event and find that you lost by the points taken away for colored mat, or that you could have won by points added for a mild vignette.
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This would cause me to wonder why they just don't go ahead and dock for a print not being B&W and museum quality... Sounds like we're hanging onto
some stuff from the past and letting other good stuff from the present be a problem. There is, after all, the color wheel and the concept of 'complementary' colors. I'm afraid I don't get it.
bull drink water wrote:
gessman wrote:
bull drink water wrote:
just because i felt like it.
Well, that's not adequate to diminish the poor lil' ol' animal's habitat further - we're already closing in on them for all angles and leaving them no place to go as it is without photoshoppin' the hell out of their environment. :-)
why are you surprised, we're doing it to ourselves.
I'm not surprised at all. Didn't mean to imply that.
john merry wrote:
yes i was i was informed after i bought the filter that it dosnt like wide angle lenses its a pity the salesman didnt tell me that as he screw onto the lens
Please pardon what may initially appear to just be my "Monday morning quarterback's acerbic disposition" but, "Caveat Emptor" implies that YOU should KNOW before you GO. Once again, it's the "order taker" vs. the uninformed customer. Photography can be complicated and often it's no match, and just as often, you lose. "Blind leading the blind." Resources are all around us. Ask, but not the order taker, "what do I need to know before purchasing a CPL for an ultra-wide zoom lens." Call ahead to the store and ask the manager. Ask here. Ask Google. Ask Youtube. Ask
someone, or just read. If you've gotten far enough along to be owning an ultra wide angle zoom and wanting a CPL, you are too far along to not suspect some caveats connected with putting the two together, I would think. Let's not blame the poor ol' minimum-wage store clerk. It might have been his/her first day. Not a butt chewing but a lesson learned - and for others....but probably won't be considered to have been necessary but then the original question remains and begs for an answer, an answer that should have been in place before the purchase.
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