Why Can't the USA Manufacture?
Jul 10, 2020 07:44:36 #
leftj
Loc: Texas
jerryc41 wrote:
With the surge in C***d infections, medical workers are once again being hit with shortages. We don't have enough masks, gowns, gloves, or face shields. These aren't high-tech items. We should be able to crank these out by the millions. What's the problem?
A new shortage - coins. Stores have signs asking for the correct change.
A new shortage - coins. Stores have signs asking for the correct change.
Don't believe the hype about shortages.
Jul 10, 2020 07:55:56 #
Jul 10, 2020 08:04:24 #
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
Conservatives Trying to maximize their profit going after the cheapest labor and lowest processing costs. It's ALL about the money. You answer makes no sense.
Wrong.... It's driven by consumers looking for the cheapest price...
Jul 10, 2020 08:06:21 #
leftj wrote:
Don't believe the hype about shortages.
So true. All their garages are chucker box full of needed supplies.
Jul 10, 2020 08:08:21 #
John N wrote:
Same problem in the UK. Ours was caused my the Tory Government under Margaret Thatcher who moved away from a manufacturing economy to a service led economy. Bad move - when the s**t hits the fan the last thing people think of is services.
But I suppose we can always buy a new fan from China.
But I suppose we can always buy a new fan from China.
What role did the unions play in that decision?
Jul 10, 2020 08:09:26 #
machia wrote:
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Actually a complex mix got us here. Unions are a big culprit too.
Profit sharing is a great idea. Works well for a company like Toyota, while the Unions strangled American car manufacturers. So companies sought cheaper labor but C*******t China is a geopolitical, military and economic predator.
MADE IN CHINA
What a terrible idea to do business with a closed society.
MADE IN USA
We must be self reliant again.
Actually a complex mix got us here. Unions are a big culprit too.
Profit sharing is a great idea. Works well for a company like Toyota, while the Unions strangled American car manufacturers. So companies sought cheaper labor but C*******t China is a geopolitical, military and economic predator.
MADE IN CHINA
What a terrible idea to do business with a closed society.
MADE IN USA
We must be self reliant again.
Impossible.
Jul 10, 2020 08:23:44 #
foathog wrote:
PRECISELY. It's the manufacturers (conservatives) themselves who moved their production to China for GREED factor.
What about Union power that economically drove manufacturing to lower labor cost countries?
It was a complex convergence of economic, political, profit and internationalism that drove the engine--not a singular event.
Low cost Japanese interest rates initially triggered the cycle which was preceded by the US government rebuilding and modernization of Germany and Japan after the war.
Industrial infrastructure that was destroyed in WW2 became the worlds best in Japan and Germany after WW2, while the US relied on 1940's technology.
The Marshall Plan drove that modernization after WW2.
Short term profit goals became to important to US investors.
Early adoption of "quality concepts" propelled Japan from "junk manufacturing" to top quality products, and coupled with more modern factories outpaced the US.
Quit looking for the "singularity answer".
Jul 10, 2020 08:46:56 #
Those that rail against the evil corporations and their profit motive always ignore the real reasons manufacturing goes overseas...people want low prices and a corporation has a legal fiduciary duty to the shareholders to make a profit for them. That’s how capitalism works.
Jul 10, 2020 08:54:21 #
foathog wrote:
PRECISELY. It's the manufacturers (conservatives) themselves who moved their production to China for GREED factor.
It.is really a huge stretch to equate manufacturers with conservatives. A persons politics don’t have much to do with their business success...unless it is to suck up to the mayor, governor or whoever. Many corporations are founded, grown, and run quite successfully by liberals.
Jul 10, 2020 08:54:29 #
Jul 10, 2020 08:55:37 #
neillaubenthal wrote:
Those that rail against the evil corporations and their profit motive always ignore the real reasons manufacturing goes overseas...people want low prices and a corporation has a legal fiduciary duty to the shareholders to make a profit for them. That’s how capitalism works.
Jul 10, 2020 09:01:06 #
Collhar wrote:
What role did the unions play in that decision?
The car industry was dead & buried (or as good as) by the time the switch to a service led industry took place. And the Unions played a major part in it, especially those at the British Leyland conglomerate. The writing was on the wall as they had seen what the Japanese had done to the motorcycle industry. But they couldn't read.
The k**ler blow was the outright war with the Coal Mining Industry whose Marxist leader, Arthur Scargill, exploited loose legislation to bring the Industry out on strike against the wishes of many.
So I'd say some Unions played a significant role in that decision. The Tories wanted a fight (as the miners had previously bought down an earlier Conservative Prime Minister) and the Government gave them one, one that they could not win. It just took them 12 months to find out.
And today the Unions are much reduced in stature which is a shame because there was a time when they did a lot of good.
Jul 10, 2020 09:05:50 #
Jul 10, 2020 09:07:05 #
fetzler
Loc: North West PA
LWW wrote:
Prior administrations kowtowing to the ChiComs.
L*****t politics that have de-industrialized the west.
L*****t politics that have de-industrialized the west.
Yep. This is why.
Also remember even the ChiComs are set up to only make the usual amount.
Jul 10, 2020 09:27:26 #
Lord help me, here we go again. You guys really are the Divided States of America.
The real reason is one of organization and being proactive. Being left or right and what happened in the past has very little to do with anything. Even corporate greed.
Because the US is ignoring the p******c, there was no great need for PPE since it is not a problem in the first place right? If F***i ran things, the curves would be flatter, PPE's would be available and fewer people dead. The US has incredibly bright (and well trained) people that are not being listened to by non-scientists whi make decisions based on non-health based reasons.
There is your answer in a nutshell.
The real reason is one of organization and being proactive. Being left or right and what happened in the past has very little to do with anything. Even corporate greed.
Because the US is ignoring the p******c, there was no great need for PPE since it is not a problem in the first place right? If F***i ran things, the curves would be flatter, PPE's would be available and fewer people dead. The US has incredibly bright (and well trained) people that are not being listened to by non-scientists whi make decisions based on non-health based reasons.
There is your answer in a nutshell.
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