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Jul 10, 2020 19:28:50   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
AirWalter wrote:
And who supported fracking, Obama?


No, I don’t think so. Fracking has expanded because it is profitable and this society is based on capitalism and short term gain, not necessarily on long term wisdom. It has negative consequences (as many western states are beginning to realize) and is a short term solution to a long term problem. There is a finite amount of oil, and it will eventually run out.

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Jul 10, 2020 19:32:32   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
AirWalter wrote:
"Just look at his profile thumbnail pic. That explains a lot." Wow, what is that supposed to mean? Just because of his avatar are you concluding that he is a black convicted criminal?


For the record, my avatar is Martin Luther King Junior’s mugshot from when he was arrested for speaking t***h to power.

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Jul 10, 2020 19:32:59   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
davesit wrote:
Well, as they said, the quarterback always gets too much credit when he wins, and too little when he loses.... But still...


In February 2008 Venezuela cut off oil sales to ExxonMobil during a legal battle over nationalization of the company’s properties there. Production from Iraqi oil fields, of course, had still not recovered from wartime damage, and in late March saboteurs blew up the two main oil export pipelines in the south—cutting about 300,000 barrels per day from Iraqi exports. Didn't have much choice did he?


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Jul 10, 2020 19:34:29   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
LWW wrote:
For the record, my avatar is Martin Luther King Junior’s mugshot from when he was arrested for speaking t***h to power.


And you support Trump?????

Don

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Jul 10, 2020 19:37:46   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
PAR4DCR wrote:
And you support Trump?????

Don


I didn't know Trump had him arrested!

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Jul 10, 2020 19:54:01   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
jerryc41 wrote:
With the surge in C***d infections, medical workers are once again being hit with shortages. We don't have enough masks, gowns, gloves, or face shields. These aren't high-tech items. We should be able to crank these out by the millions. What's the problem?

A new shortage - coins. Stores have signs asking for the correct change.


The coin shortages and ALL the other crises will magically disappear after Nov. 3.
All this is 100% political in an effort to hurt Trump.

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Jul 10, 2020 19:55:04   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Break out the tin hats...

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Jul 10, 2020 20:06:11   #
bodiebill
 
TriX wrote:
No, I don’t think so. Fracking has expanded because it is profitable and this society is based on capitalism and short term gain, not necessarily on long term wisdom. It has negative consequences (as many western states are beginning to realize) and is a short term solution to a long term problem. There is a finite amount of oil, and it will eventually run out.


"Peak Oil" has been a theme for decades. Proven wrong each decade.
Russian scientists believe that oil is created in geologic earth processes and will not "run out".
Very little of the earth has been explored, mostly in the offshore area.
The daily production of oil is nearly 87 million barrels per day! Just what would you substitute that with? Visualize that quantity.
So called "green renewable energy" is a very minor amount of the total--less than 10%
Fracking is merely a technique to recover more oil from the underground oil formation. Normally only 20% of the oil in place is recovered without fracking, water flooding and other secondary/tertiary recovery methods.
It has made the US energy independent, and created hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs.
It is a totally US industry, not dependent on foreign sources.
Actually, the world now has excess oil and natural gas production. The growth is slowing down with less investment is occurring.
Keep in mind that batteries require extensive mining, mostly open pit. "Not in my backyard."
Energy drives the world economy and prosperity. Mankind would still be in the dark ages without it
You would freeze, sweat and be in the dark without it.
Do you know that the earth's atmosphere is 99% nitrogen and oxygen. CO2 is less than 1/4 %.

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Jul 10, 2020 20:07:32   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
bodiebill wrote:
"Peak Oil" has been a theme for decades. Proven wrong each decade.
Russian scientists believe that oil is created in geologic earth processes and will not "run out".
Very little of the earth has been explored, mostly in the offshore area.
The daily production of oil is nearly 87 million barrels per day! Just what would you substitute that with? Visualize that quantity.
So called "green renewable energy" is a very minor amount of the total--less than 10%
Fracking is merely a technique to recover more oil from the underground oil formation. Normally only 20% of the oil in place is recovered without fracking, water flooding and other secondary/tertiary recovery methods.
It has made the US energy independent, and created hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs.
It is a totally US industry, not dependent on foreign sources.
Actually, the world now has excess oil and natural gas production. The growth is slowing down with less investment is occurring.
Keep in mind that batteries require extensive mining, mostly open pit. "Not in my backyard."
Energy drives the world economy and prosperity. Mankind would still be in the dark ages without it
You would freeze, sweat and be in the dark without it.
Do you know that the earth's atmosphere is 99% nitrogen and oxygen. CO2 is less than 1/4 %.
"Peak Oil" has been a theme for decades.... (show quote)


Very good.

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Jul 10, 2020 20:14:37   #
bodiebill
 
AirWalter wrote:
In February 2008 Venezuela cut off oil sales to ExxonMobil during a legal battle over nationalization of the company’s properties there. Production from Iraqi oil fields, of course, had still not recovered from wartime damage, and in late March saboteurs blew up the two main oil export pipelines in the south—cutting about 300,000 barrels per day from Iraqi exports. Didn't have much choice did he?

In February 2008 Venezuela cut off oil sales to Ex... (show quote)


Iraq oil production is more than prewar. See EIA data.

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Jul 10, 2020 20:16:51   #
Salomj9850
 
For every complex problem there is a simple / easy solution that is probably wrong. My sister was a clothing designer for decades. When she started clothing was manufactured in California. Most of the people running the sewing machines were undocumented women from south of the border. The factories moved to Mexico because the companies were able to pay a quarter of what American workers would accept. From Mexico the companies moved to China. The Chinese companies pay their workers less and conditions inside the plants wouldn't pass muster here. The Chinese are now competing with Vietnam which has lower labor costs. The fabric these companies use is made in India & Bangladesh. Working conditions in these countries are notoriously bad. The other issue responsible for job loss is automation.

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Jul 10, 2020 20:18:30   #
davesit Loc: Media, PA
 
From that "c****e" publication Forbes:

The renewable energy industry has become a major U.S. employer. E2’s recent Clean Jobs America report found nearly 3.3 million Americans working in clean energy – outnumbering f****l f**l workers by 3-to-1. Nearly 335,000 people work in the solar industry and more than 111,000 work in the wind industry, compared to 211,000 working in coal mining or other f****l f**l extraction. Clean energy employment grew 3.6% in 2018, adding 110,000 net new jobs (4.2% of all jobs added nationally in 2018), and employers expect 6% job growth in 2019.

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Jul 10, 2020 20:24:51   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
bodiebill wrote:
"Peak Oil" has been a theme for decades. Proven wrong each decade.
Russian scientists believe that oil is created in geologic earth processes and will not "run out".
Very little of the earth has been explored, mostly in the offshore area.
The daily production of oil is nearly 87 million barrels per day! Just what would you substitute that with? Visualize that quantity.
So called "green renewable energy" is a very minor amount of the total--less than 10%
Fracking is merely a technique to recover more oil from the underground oil formation. Normally only 20% of the oil in place is recovered without fracking, water flooding and other secondary/tertiary recovery methods.
It has made the US energy independent, and created hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs.
It is a totally US industry, not dependent on foreign sources.
Actually, the world now has excess oil and natural gas production. The growth is slowing down with less investment is occurring.
Keep in mind that batteries require extensive mining, mostly open pit. "Not in my backyard."
Energy drives the world economy and prosperity. Mankind would still be in the dark ages without it
You would freeze, sweat and be in the dark without it.
Do you know that the earth's atmosphere is 99% nitrogen and oxygen. CO2 is less than 1/4 %.
"Peak Oil" has been a theme for decades.... (show quote)


If you genuinely believe new oil is being created as fast as we are consuming it, then I think a geology/chemistry lesson is in order. It may take 75 years or it may take 300 years, but it WILL run out, so we better be saving some for those devices like aircraft which cannot be easily converted to electrical or nuclear. You are right about one thing - if we don’t explore alternatives, then we will ultimately freeze in the dark. Although solar cells have become dramatically more efficient in the last decade or two, at the moment, lacking a breakthrough in fusion or some yet to be discovered energy source, I’m afraid the only viable current alternative is nuclear production of electricity. (and yes, I know the composition of the atmosphere, and I’m not addressing c*****e c****e, just energy production)

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Jul 10, 2020 20:50:27   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
TriX wrote:
If you genuinely believe new oil is being created as fast as we are consuming it, then I think a geology/chemistry lesson is in order. It may take 75 years or it may take 300 years, but it WILL run out, so we better be saving some for those devices like aircraft which cannot be easily converted to electrical or nuclear. You are right about one thing - if we don’t explore alternatives, then we will ultimately freeze in the dark. Although solar cells have become dramatically more efficient in the last decade or two, at the moment, lacking a breakthrough in fusion or some yet to be discovered energy source, I’m afraid the only viable current alternative is nuclear production of electricity. (and yes, I know the composition of the atmosphere, and I’m not addressing c*****e c****e, just energy production)
If you genuinely believe new oil is being created ... (show quote)


Why not nuclear energy?
You make a good point.

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Jul 10, 2020 21:04:58   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Why not nuclear energy?

Nationally, we have never resolved the question of dealing with ‘nuclear waste’, so it remains a local issue and a d**g on future operations.

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