Boosesb

Has anyone used the 5dIV For sports photography? I have a 7dII with 100-400II lens. B&H has the 5d on sale for $1999 and it is a good deal to get a FF. I shoot college lacrosse and baseball for fun. Post on social media, team pages, do some prints for end of year banquets.
How is the 5d IQ compared to the 7D? I know the 5 is 3 frames per second slower, how big of a difference does that really relate to as far as “keepers” are concerned?
I usually get a media access sideline pass so I do t think the reach of the crop would be that big of a difference.
Thanks in advance for everyone’s input.

Bison Bud

I don't own either, but from my research the big plus of the 7D for sports is the auto focus. It uses a separate microprocessor for the focus functions and this provides one of the best focus systems for sports out there. However, I'd probably be happy with either model and you probably would be too. Good luck and good shooting to all.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

The EOS 5DIV is superior image quality to any of the EOS cropped-sensor bodies. Only you can judge if that difference is material for your shooting situations. The 5DIV AF system is based on the 1DXII, except as noted above, the 5D bodies doesn't have a second dedicated processor to the AF function as provided by the 1DXII and 7DII bodies. And, you give up the 'reach' of the cropped sensor.

Shooting the 5DIII with similar characteristics based on the 1DX, 5 fps is sufficient for tracking high-speed passes at airshows, HS sports and BIF. I know I do need to update the shooting parameters to the high-speed (and loud) continuous setting from the low-speed continuous (quite) setting. I also have to consider the timing of my burst. The differences may / may not impact your shooting technique / needs.

One additional benefit of the 5DIV is the ability to use the entire AF array at the extended f/8 for the 100-400L and 1.4x. My own 100-400L II has seen a lot less use in my kit with the 1.4x due to the 5DIII limitation to just the center AF point at f/8. That higher pixel density, expanded AF at f/8 with the 1.4x may make the 5DIV a better choice, especially at the sale price of $1999. This model was at this price early in the 2019 holiday season that had my mouse hovering over the shopping cart at the time.

BB4A

I’ve owned both and used both for sports photography. The 7D MkII is a truly remarkable fast sports camera body for the price, mainly because of the reasons others have posted, above. For outdoor sports in good lighting conditions, IMHO it rivals my 1DX MkII for “internet-ready” IQ and speed, for a lot less money.

The 5D MkIV is almost identical to the 7D MkII in dimensions, weight, button layout, and menus; has the advantage of a touch screen (which actually works flawlessly, unlike some other manufacturers touch screens I’ve tried... no names, no shaming), and is therefore a very quick learning curve from your current camera. You will be shooting quality photographs in minutes.

Positives about the 5D MkIV:
1. Low light capabilities are awesome; the best I’ve ever experienced in a camera in this price range. When the body autofocuses correctly in light so dim I can’t actually see the subject well enough to manually focus... that’s good (I have excellent night vision, and it’s a rare night I need to use a flashlight to get about). The resulting image quality is equally superb; I can rack up the ISO to almost ridiculous levels and still get a internet-acceptable photograph.
2. General image quality in fast-paced sports events in normal lighting is also excellent; the body hardware, software, and sensor work very harmoniously with every L series lens I own... if it’s a bad shot, that’s 100% down to me in normal conditions.
3. Like the 7D MkII and the 1DX Mk’s II & III, the 5D MkIV is built like a tank. Don’t worry about a little (or a lot of) rain, a touch of mud, dust, or assorted animal poop... it will shrug that stuff off & carry on shooting.

Negatives about the 5D MkIV:
1. It’s a bit slow for the very fastest sports, and you will initially find it feeling extremely slow, compared to your 7D MkII. It’s mainly perception of course, the difference between 5-7 FPS & 8-10 FPS isn’t that big & actually meaningless... so long as one of those frames captures “the shot”. That of course is the reason why we lug around 1DX MkII’s & III’s; sometimes that one shot pays for the body a few times over...
2. I personally don’t find the 5D MkIV AF & AE to be quite as precise as the 7D MkII & 1D MkII (Pandemic = cancelled sports events = no need for me to invest in a 1DX MkIII yet). I’m probably causing my own problems here, and I still get the results my Clients want... I just have a feeling that the 5D MkIV requires me to work a little harder & thus spend less quality time closing on the perfect shot. You may not have anything to complain about (secretly, I suspect I just want my 1DX AF/AE... for the same price as the 5D MkIV).

In summary, both are excellent cameras & both will do very well with your 100-400mm L IS II USM lens. The 5D MkIV is more versatile in all light conditions and will generally deliver a better IQ result, with a slight reduction in all-out speed. The 5D MkIV takes advantage of some of the technology improvements since the launch of the 7D MkII, and full frame may be important to you for slightly higher quality off-internet publishing purposes.

PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA

While I don't have either, I would think that the 90D, having slightly more MP than the 5DIV and a 2 generation later processor, would have IQ that is comperable, at least at lower ISO settings.

jim quist Loc: Missouri

You are limited to 5fps. Not ideal for sports.

jim quist Loc: Missouri

I used to shoot collegiate sports. I would not want to be limited to the 5fps of that camera. My wife owns one and that is the only draw back to it

whitehall Loc: Canada

I own both. I use the 7dmkii with either the 100-400 isii or Tamron 150-600G2 for BIF and the 5D mkiv for all other photography, ie landscape, street etc. I am happy with that division of labour, though I am now migrating to EOSR to replace the 5Dmkiv for nature and street photography. Have not tried it for BiF though the fact that it will focus with a 2x converter makes it an attractive option for really long shots in very good light (f9!)

AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!

I've never used a 7D, but I do have a 5D. It's a great camera for landscapes and such, but for sports it's WAY too slow. And its buffer seems to be pretty small, as in continuous shooting mode, it hangs up pretty quickly. For sports I used a 1D MK IV for years, and I now have a 1 DX. They focus faster, shoot faster and write to the card faster. And their buffers are large enough for continuous shooting of many frames.

Basil Loc: New Mexico

When they came out with that deal just before Christmas and included a battery grip and a 64GB SD card, I stop my mouse from hovering and clicked.

PS I also have the 7DII and for sports or BIF or other action it’s hard to beat IMHO.

goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl

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BooSesb... and others on this Thread...

There is no such thing as an 'Advantage with .. the reach of a crop ' sensor...

Just because you have a 'Cropped Sensor' ... there is 'NO Truism that this give you an advantage...' I would like to point out that, with a 'Cropped Sensor' you are actually 'Shooting yourself in the foot...' With a Cropped Sensor' you are shooting with the same lens, which has the same lens 'Angle of View' and you are shooting at the same distance from camera to the subject... In reality, what the camera owner is doing is that you are getting the same 'size image' BUT, you are 'Cutting away the avalible canvas because you have a sensor which is some 40% smaller...

goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl

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BooSesb... and others on this Thread... *** I had to repost because part got cut off ***

With all due respect to everyone,,,, there is no such thing as an 'Advantage' with .. 'the reach of a crop ' sensor... This is a "MYTH" which has been created by the manufacturer of cameras to make the buyers of smaller chip cameras feel better about themselves because they, the camera buyer, bought a cheaper camera...

The primary advantage, (if not maybe the only advantage) of a smaller sensor is that it lowers cost.... of the making of the sensor and the making of the camera itself to some degree..... If anything, a photographer is actually shooting themselves in the foot because they are 'putting the same angle of view' on a smaller canvas or sensor,,, and 'throwing away' the 'outer edge' of the the advantage of using a larger sensor...

First, let me say, I have owned both 'cropped' and 'full size' sensor cameras and I made a decision a number of years ago, to sell my 'crop sensor' and stick strictly with 'full framed sensors...' I currently now own the 1Dx, the 5D Mk III, the 5D, Mk IV, and the 5Ds-R.... I choose which camera to use based on what type of shooting I will be doing... and I shoot mostly landscapes, nature and wildlife... & enjoying shooting a lot of birds-in-flight... I have been doing photography since 1967/1968 when I worked a lot at John F. Kennedy Space Center... and I finally moved into digital photography in 2008 after my cataract eye surgery...

With all of that said,,, I have done a lot of my own research and it is a fact that.... Just because you have a 'Cropped Sensor' ... there is 'NO TRUTH that this gives you an advantage...' To prove this to yourself.... preform the following experiment:

1) Find a shooting location and a target where distance will not change during this test
2) Set up a tripod at one point.... and place a target at the second point at a given distance
3) Put you Crop Sensor camera onto the tripod.. with a given lens and shoot the 'test image'
4) Then change two things...
. A) Replace crop sensor camera on the tripod with a full sensor camera.. &
. B) and keep the same memory card but, put the same card into the second camera....
5) Be sure to keep the same lens, at the same distance and at the same same focal distance...
6) Now, shoot the test shot again...
7) Compare the two resulting images in you faviorate image viewer.....

... After doing the above and as you view your images, you will think... Humm, the cropped sensor is bigger.... NO, this is not true... what is you are doing is 'stretching' the image to 'fit into the same space on the screen and this is exactly what you are doing when you process or print the picture.... 'stretching' which the process in and of itself, gives you a 'lower quality' results given the same overall elements of the process. .. Think about this..... because you have a smaller (cropped sensor),,, you are 'stretching' the product.. like a rubber band............

With a Cropped Sensor' you are shooting with the same lens, which has the same lens 'Angle of View' and you are shooting at the same distance from your camera to the subject being photographed..... In reality, what the camera owner is doing is, getting the same 'Rays of Light' being reflected by the subject, BUT, you are putting 'LESS' of that 'VIEW' onto a canvas or sensor... AND, because you have a sensor which is some 40% smaller... THEN, you have to 'enlarge' that canvas or smaller sensor, you get the false impression that you are getting a 'longer reach'..... This absolutely NOT True...

In closing, If there was a 'real advantage' to all of the above, why don't the manufacture cameras make cameras with only with a smaller sensor ???... As I stated before, there is “NO ADVANTAGE” to shooting a smaller size sensor…. Other than cost of equipment..... and in the end....... You must decide as to what is "BEST" for you're needs and your budget

What I am saying is:.... The larger sensor of the 5D is a tremendous advantage to consider

Cheers
GeoVz
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Regis Loc: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho

5fps? Canon 5D Mark 1V = 7 fps. Canon 7D 2 = 10 fps.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

And if you ever shoot indoor sports, that extra stop of high ISO/low noise performance is worth its weight in gold. It’s exactly why I moved from a 7D to a 5D3 and then to a 5D4, and it never disappoints, especially when I get above ISO 10,000. I have never found the frame rate to be an issue, but I try to anticipate the action and only shoot short bursts if at all.

goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl

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Regis....

Canon 5D Mk IV is 7 fps @ 31 Meg, Full Sensor
Canon 7D Mk II is "Up to 10 fsp" @ 20 Meg, Cropped Sensor

If you can 'live with a slower speed,' you will get the advantage of a 'larger canvas'

If your budget is 'lower' and & you need speed ... .. It is OK to go with 'less'

Cheers
GeoVz
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