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Jun 5, 2020 11:18:01   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
We have a neighborhood app called nextdoor.com where local people post problems, items for sale, items wanted, etc. Lately, there have been a few posts about an online seller called Coverou, in China. This seems to be their routine. They advertise a product at a good price, accept your order, and then post bogus UPS delivery information. The UPS info is actually correct, as far as it goes. One man said the UPS delivery confirmation was for a package from Amazon, not Coverou, and it was sent to a different name and a different address in his town. Because Coverou sent this delivery confirmation to PayPal, PayPal accepted it on face value, not confirming the validity of the delivery information.

I don't know how a Chinese company obtains valid UPS delivery info, but that seems to be their routine way of doing business. Since PayPal apparently accepts any form of "proof," don't expect PP to decide in your favor if you have a claim. Limit your buying to sellers you know well.
We have a neighborhood app called nextdoor.com whe... (show quote)


I see one major problem. You 'assume' PayPal may not help you if this happens. You didn't say you contacted PayPal, explained the problem and asked for their help.

I've got over 15 years experience with PayPal for payments to others, requesting money, ebay listings and use them as my Merchant Account for credit card processing. They have always helped me with a problem.

I don't like some of PayPal's policies, etc. But don't get me started on Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Sun Trust, First Data, etc. It could take a while, the list is long.

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Jun 5, 2020 11:20:58   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
tazman77 wrote:
NAFTA was suppose to be eliminated in March 2020, by the new agreement Trump made with Mexico and Canada (USMCA).


Your comment. Please look into NAFTA and USMCA. They are nearly identical. Putting lipstick on a pig and giving it a new name doesn't change it. Where are the jobs?

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Jun 5, 2020 12:19:54   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Many of those products are made in China...and many American sellers are selling products made in China. Thus, it's not always easy to "buy American". We have Nafta (and other "free trade" agreements) and the American consumer to thank for this...

Many Chinese firms have American outposts - you think you are purchasing from an American firm, but it is Chinese employees in San Francisco whose only job is in running a warehouse ... or even in relaying orders back to mainland China.

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Jun 5, 2020 13:42:47   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
Your comment. Please look into NAFTA and USMCA. They are nearly identical. Putting lipstick on a pig and giving it a new name doesn't change it. Where are the jobs?


USMCA came into effect on July 1, 2020. A study from the Congressional Research Service found the agreement would not have a measurable effect on jobs, wages, or overall economic growth.

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Jun 5, 2020 13:46:59   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
LITTLEBIT wrote:
PAYPAL isn't as safe as it's cracked up to be. They forward your money and if something is wrong they don't stand behind the seller in trying to retrieve a refund of their money. i personally have had better results with Ebay.


PayPal was founded by Ebay and completely owned by them. In 2015 PayPal became a seperate company from Ebay but the same investors seem to still own both.

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Jun 5, 2020 14:28:17   #
Bigmike1 Loc: I am from Gaffney, S.C. but live in Utah.
 
I reckon buying on line is getting complicated and uncertain. Maybe we will all have to begin buying from local stores and then look on the item to see where it is manufactured. I admit that while we were in Germany in 2015-16 I rented a Chinese made trombone. It played well and seemed to be well made and I just double checked my Olympus E620 Digital camera that I have had for almost 20 years now and it was made in China.

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Jun 6, 2020 06:04:50   #
gunner369 Loc: NV
 
I agree with all of you, I know several times I ordered stuff from a seller in the states and then it comes from China. That what these sellers do, they have no stock on hand , but when they sell an item, they go to the vendor in china and have it sent to your address, so beware Folk's

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Jun 6, 2020 07:06:55   #
Ron 717 Loc: Pennsylvania
 
jerryc41 wrote:
We have a neighborhood app called nextdoor.com where local people post problems, items for sale, items wanted, etc. Lately, there have been a few posts about an online seller called Coverou, in China. This seems to be their routine. They advertise a product at a good price, accept your order, and then post bogus UPS delivery information. The UPS info is actually correct, as far as it goes. One man said the UPS delivery confirmation was for a package from Amazon, not Coverou, and it was sent to a different name and a different address in his town. Because Coverou sent this delivery confirmation to PayPal, PayPal accepted it on face value, not confirming the validity of the delivery information.

I don't know how a Chinese company obtains valid UPS delivery info, but that seems to be their routine way of doing business. Since PayPal apparently accepts any form of "proof," don't expect PP to decide in your favor if you have a claim. Limit your buying to sellers you know well.
We have a neighborhood app called nextdoor.com whe... (show quote)


The first problem is trusting NextDoor, they use your name in their advertisements with out your permission and allow content that is problematic.

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Jun 6, 2020 07:49:47   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Many of those products are made in China...and many American sellers are selling products made in China. Thus, it's not always easy to "buy American". We have Nafta (and other "free trade" agreements) and the American consumer to thank for this...


You would also want to thank the corporate boards (our own companies) who moved the majority of manufacturing out of the US to cut production costs and make profits incredible. Yes, nice to buy American, but nearly impossible now for a huge range of products, from the simple to the complex.

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Jun 6, 2020 08:08:50   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
LITTLEBIT wrote:
PAYPAL isn't as safe as it's cracked up to be. They forward your money and if something is wrong they don't stand behind the seller in trying to retrieve a refund of their money. i personally have had better results with Ebay.


It's gotten worse since Synchrony Bank took it over.

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Jun 6, 2020 09:41:43   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
I have noticed degraded with customer service from all the credit cards I hold and that includes PayPal. The days of cards putting the customer first when involved in disputes has past. For example, on April 12, I purchased a couple items that promised 15 day delivery. I’m still waiting. After about a month of lip service from the vendor, I disputed the transaction and asked for a credit via PayPal. All PayPal did was set up a line of communication between myself and the vendor that had an automatic close day attached. When that date approached, I had to elevate the dispute, which I did. That was approximately a week ago. With that, I’m pretty much on the sidelines. For how long? Your guess is as good as mine. I’ve also had a couple issues with Chase. Their attitude was pretty much “touch.” The moral of the story — caveat emptor. I do have one notable exception and that’s Amazon. I have never had an experience that didn’t get resolved in my favor. Of course, in the Amazon situations, the credit card company had nothing to do with the situation.

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Jun 6, 2020 10:45:48   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
jerryc41 wrote:
We have a neighborhood app called nextdoor.com where local people post problems, items for sale, items wanted, etc. Lately, there have been a few posts about an online seller called Coverou, in China. This seems to be their routine. They advertise a product at a good price, accept your order, and then post bogus UPS delivery information. The UPS info is actually correct, as far as it goes. One man said the UPS delivery confirmation was for a package from Amazon, not Coverou, and it was sent to a different name and a different address in his town. Because Coverou sent this delivery confirmation to PayPal, PayPal accepted it on face value, not confirming the validity of the delivery information.

I don't know how a Chinese company obtains valid UPS delivery info, but that seems to be their routine way of doing business. Since PayPal apparently accepts any form of "proof," don't expect PP to decide in your favor if you have a claim. Limit your buying to sellers you know well.
We have a neighborhood app called nextdoor.com whe... (show quote)


Funny you posted this. The same thing happened to me earlier this week. I ordered an item from a seller whose address was Rockaway NY, just about 55 miles from me. When I got the receipt the sellers name was Asian. (The sellers name was displayed as a streaming company). Received notification the package was left at my door on Tuesday. There was no package, and neither my security camera or my next door neighbor camera never capture any UPS truck in our complex.
Thankfully PayPay refunded my money.

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Jun 6, 2020 11:24:13   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
When I buy from Amazon, I either buy from Amazon Prime, dealers who's products are fulfilled by Amazon or check the USA dealers only box in the search filters and only consider those dealers. I have had only a few complaints over the years and, although Amazon's process is time consuming, I have always been satisfied with the results.

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Jun 6, 2020 12:29:45   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
OnDSnap wrote:
It's gotten worse since Synchrony Bank took it over.

If Synchrony is involved, little surprise.
They are behind many of the 'company supplied' cards.

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Jun 6, 2020 12:45:11   #
Diocletian
 
tazman77 wrote:
I get that Bigmike1 and I agree, we need to get back to buying and manufacturing things in America and other North American country's.


Oh no, no more Mercedes, Toyota, Lexus! Buy Ford, General Motors, Fiat Chrysler instead! Oh, wait, Ford parts are made in China, as are General Motors and Fiat. And Toyota has a number of plants in the States. What to do in this Global Economy, what to do....

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