Science of Covid Infection
May 28, 2020 12:01:15 #
rehess wrote:
That was the point of that post - science works {or doesn't work} exactly the same regardless of one's politics.
*hangs its head in shame* did not not see 'neither'....
BOOOOOOOOO!!!!
*I am glad I am not using a chicken as a hat*.
May 28, 2020 12:31:44 #
rehess wrote:
That was the point of that post - science works {or doesn't work} exactly the same regardless of one's politics.
Our president has made wearing a mask a political issue.
May 28, 2020 12:39:27 #
JohnSwanda wrote:
Our president has made wearing a mask a political issue.
Oops, just went political....
May 28, 2020 12:42:28 #
JohnSwanda wrote:
Our president has made wearing a mask a political issue.
But he hasn't changed the Science.
A nonbeliever like him can still be infected - a mask would still stop the viruses.
May 28, 2020 12:54:56 #
rehess wrote:
But he hasn't changed the Science.
A nonbeliever like him can still be infected - a mask would still stop the viruses.
A nonbeliever like him can still be infected - a mask would still stop the viruses.
It seems whether to believe in science or not has become the political issue.
May 28, 2020 12:56:45 #
JohnSwanda wrote:
It seems whether to believe in science or not has become the political issue.
Only because people made it so.
May 28, 2020 16:05:06 #
wdross
Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
Longshadow wrote:
Oops, just went political....
As mentioned, COVID-19 is not political. If I get it, you get it, the President gets it, Obama gets it, if anyone gets it, the COVID-19 is going to use that body to reproduce itself. People make COVID-19 political, not the COVID-19 itself. All it is is RNA inside a ball; no organs and not alive. Therefore, words will not stop it; only proper actions will stop it. Inaction will only spread it no matter what one believes. It is always a person's choice as to what kind of action they choice to do.
May 28, 2020 16:12:27 #
wdross wrote:
As mentioned, COVID-19 is not political. If I get... (show quote)
You missed it.....
Covid-19 is not political, but the comment was.
May 28, 2020 23:56:55 #
Paul Diamond
Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
Everyone should ask questions about the fact that the USA has 4% of the world's population, but 30% of the Covid-19 cases in the world. Obviously we did several things wrong in the 'early days' of Jan., Feb. and March.
Several sources are pointing at how the Chinese, Japanese and other societies wear masks in public, not as a political statement, but for health reasons. They all have dramatically lower Covid infection rates than the USA.
Will America learn? What can we do differently to lessen the 'second wave' of Covid-19 this fall? (Brazil is already having their 'fall' right now and cases of Covid are skyrocketing.)
Several sources are pointing at how the Chinese, Japanese and other societies wear masks in public, not as a political statement, but for health reasons. They all have dramatically lower Covid infection rates than the USA.
Will America learn? What can we do differently to lessen the 'second wave' of Covid-19 this fall? (Brazil is already having their 'fall' right now and cases of Covid are skyrocketing.)
May 29, 2020 03:04:40 #
Paul Diamond wrote:
Everyone should ask questions about the fact that the USA has 4% of the world's population, but 30% of the Covid-19 cases in the world. .../...
What we are doing wrong is sadly political and a reflection of our society more than anything else.
There is no leadership at the top to start with but more importantly we are not able - as a population - to react and agree as a whole. We have too many in denial and too many who think that any requirement is an affront to their notion of 'freedom'.
So we are dealing with a completely disorganized leadership that depends on local authorities and a refusal of scientific response since it it a 'constraint'.
Think of the titanic led by a captain that see the iceberg as a small ice cube in his cool-aid and passengers refusing to wear a life jacket because it a sign of weakness to obey a crew member order to wear it. In the mean time life boats are being launched with or with out passengers depending of one interpretation of what sinking is...
May 29, 2020 07:26:18 #
wdross wrote:
Thanks for the article. A lot of people don't thin... (show quote)
Although I am not a scientist or virologist, I do read lots. I have never before read that seasonal flu is "the remnants of the Spanish Flu from 1918" I understood that new strains of flu continually appear, but are more prevalent in winter months due to weather conditions, which is why "flu jabs" are never more than partially successful, as they cannot cover all strains of flu, especially new ones. The "common cold" is simply less virulant. Whilst posting, I believe that scientists are equally divided over whether corona virus's are living organisms or not.
May 29, 2020 08:02:42 #
FWIW.
There is "political" and "Political". The former is a continuous process, the latter stops at a point and becomes dogmatic.
The moment just two people communicate, that is a "political" discussion. It just means that a dialogue is going on. Talking about the weather, for example, is a dialog between people. The proverbial little 'p' of politics.
The moment one group demands acquiescence, claiming some sort of dictate authority, it becomes the large "P" in Politics.
Unfortunately, many conflate the two and miss the point of Science. In Science, it is crucial and critical to work out an actual and workable consensus. Science does demand continuous testing and reworking beyond that point, though.
An aside. It was determined upon review of plans in Japan, long after the end of WWII, that there was a workable concept for an Atomic Bomb. The Emperor and a large part of the Shogunate decided that it would not work. It got "tabled".
There is "political" and "Political". The former is a continuous process, the latter stops at a point and becomes dogmatic.
The moment just two people communicate, that is a "political" discussion. It just means that a dialogue is going on. Talking about the weather, for example, is a dialog between people. The proverbial little 'p' of politics.
The moment one group demands acquiescence, claiming some sort of dictate authority, it becomes the large "P" in Politics.
Unfortunately, many conflate the two and miss the point of Science. In Science, it is crucial and critical to work out an actual and workable consensus. Science does demand continuous testing and reworking beyond that point, though.
An aside. It was determined upon review of plans in Japan, long after the end of WWII, that there was a workable concept for an Atomic Bomb. The Emperor and a large part of the Shogunate decided that it would not work. It got "tabled".
May 29, 2020 08:03:42 #
Delderby wrote:
Although I am not a scientist or virologist, I do ... (show quote)
Thank you for one of they very few intelligent replies and statements.
Bruce
May 29, 2020 08:11:20 #
Delderby wrote:
Although I am not a scientist or virologist, I do ... (show quote)
What it is and what it does are not the same question. The difference between the philosophical and the practical.
Scientists are not *equally divided* (in anything).
May 29, 2020 08:28:38 #
rehess wrote:
This article is about science - not politics
Our society has been awash in the Covid-19 virus long enough that now Science Magazine has devoted nearly an entire article to it.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes
tells how a human body can be affected as the virus works its way through it.
Our society has been awash in the Covid-19 virus long enough that now Science Magazine has devoted nearly an entire article to it.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes
tells how a human body can be affected as the virus works its way through it.
If you really want to depress yourself, read this article. I certainly don't want to die that way!
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