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May 22, 2020 12:48:38   #
Rusty69 Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
 
OK guys, I know this is an invitation to the trolls out there, but here goes.
I have recently been going back over lots of older photographs looking for printable images to update my wall art (C19 isolation giving me time I never had before).
I was really thrilled to find some great architectural and landscape shots from last year's trip to the UK. I even got advice from fellow Hoggers on what software to use to fix keystone issues on some of the buildings.
So far, so good, BUT, time to print some nice 10X8s on my great Canon printer, and whadda you know?
Framing - nothing would fit nicely in a 10x8 format - either the landscapes were too wide or the buildings too tall.
No excuses - I should know better at my age. Rule of thirds, etc. notwithstanding, when you are on vacation you think more about the memory you wish to capture than about how you will display that memory in your home. Also I guess the problem is exacerbated by the 10x8 format being "out of synch" with either of the conventional camera aspect ratios. Does anyone have an easy "fix" for this in the field? Stand further back is not always the right answer with buildings I fear.

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May 22, 2020 12:54:40   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
Rusty69 wrote:
OK guys, I know this is an invitation to the trolls out there, but here goes.
I have recently been going back over lots of older photographs looking for printable images to update my wall art (C19 isolation giving me time I never had before).
I was really thrilled to find some great architectural and landscape shots from last year's trip to the UK. I even got advice from fellow Hoggers on what software to use to fix keystone issues on some of the buildings.
So far, so good, BUT, time to print some nice 10X8s on my great Canon printer, and whadda you know?
Framing - nothing would fit nicely in a 10x8 format - either the landscapes were too wide or the buildings too tall.
No excuses - I should know better at my age. Rule of thirds, etc. notwithstanding, when you are on vacation you think more about the memory you wish to capture than about how you will display that memory in your home. Also I guess the problem is exacerbated by the 10x8 format being "out of synch" with either of the conventional camera aspect ratios. Does anyone have an easy "fix" for this in the field? Stand further back is not always the right answer with buildings I fear.
OK guys, I know this is an invitation to the troll... (show quote)


If you're Photoshop-proficient, you could try using content-aware scale to change the aspect ratio of the photo.

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May 22, 2020 13:06:42   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
There are several ideas in this 3-page thread from last year:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-593119-1.html

You are welcome to post your photo to PP Forum for assistance:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/s-116-1.html

Be sure to click the "store original" box prior to "add attachment" so that respondents have more than a tiny file to work with.

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May 22, 2020 13:06:59   #
bleirer
 
Rusty69 wrote:
OK guys, I know this is an invitation to the trolls out there, but here goes.
I have recently been going back over lots of older photographs looking for printable images to update my wall art (C19 isolation giving me time I never had before).
I was really thrilled to find some great architectural and landscape shots from last year's trip to the UK. I even got advice from fellow Hoggers on what software to use to fix keystone issues on some of the buildings.
So far, so good, BUT, time to print some nice 10X8s on my great Canon printer, and whadda you know?
Framing - nothing would fit nicely in a 10x8 format - either the landscapes were too wide or the buildings too tall.
No excuses - I should know better at my age. Rule of thirds, etc. notwithstanding, when you are on vacation you think more about the memory you wish to capture than about how you will display that memory in your home. Also I guess the problem is exacerbated by the 10x8 format being "out of synch" with either of the conventional camera aspect ratios. Does anyone have an easy "fix" for this in the field? Stand further back is not always the right answer with buildings I fear.
OK guys, I know this is an invitation to the troll... (show quote)


You can adjust with the mat to fit the desired frame opening. For example a 8x12 print can be used in a 11x14 frame if your mat opening leaves 1.5 inches left and right and 1 inch top and bottom. A 6x9 print in a 11 x14 frame leaves 2.5 inches all sides. There are 8x12 frames standard also, would work with 6x9 or 8x12 print. Custom cuts here. https://www.matboardplus.com/

If you have Photoshop you can use content aware scaling or other methods to change aspect ratios but it is a learning curve.

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May 22, 2020 13:08:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Two suggestions: compose with lots of room around the edges; use a mat board to fit in the frame.

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May 22, 2020 13:17:45   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I generally stick with two formats for printing, 12x18 and 16x20. FX cameras have the same format as did 35mm film cameras. 8x10 was a format used back then, too. So, it's not out of sync. 11x14 was a more useful format for 35mm. The easiest solution is to leave plenty of room around your subject then you can crop with a bit more ease.
--Bob
Rusty69 wrote:
OK guys, I know this is an invitation to the trolls out there, but here goes.
I have recently been going back over lots of older photographs looking for printable images to update my wall art (C19 isolation giving me time I never had before).
I was really thrilled to find some great architectural and landscape shots from last year's trip to the UK. I even got advice from fellow Hoggers on what software to use to fix keystone issues on some of the buildings.
So far, so good, BUT, time to print some nice 10X8s on my great Canon printer, and whadda you know?
Framing - nothing would fit nicely in a 10x8 format - either the landscapes were too wide or the buildings too tall.
No excuses - I should know better at my age. Rule of thirds, etc. notwithstanding, when you are on vacation you think more about the memory you wish to capture than about how you will display that memory in your home. Also I guess the problem is exacerbated by the 10x8 format being "out of synch" with either of the conventional camera aspect ratios. Does anyone have an easy "fix" for this in the field? Stand further back is not always the right answer with buildings I fear.
OK guys, I know this is an invitation to the troll... (show quote)

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May 22, 2020 13:25:34   #
Cany143 Loc: SE Utah
 
I've printed, mounted, matted and framed a lot of prints over time. (Almost) always cut my own mats, and can't remember buying a frame in a 'standard' format; frame and mat dimensions were/are based on the dimensions of the image, not the other way around.

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May 22, 2020 13:27:54   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
To Cany's point, those who have patience and enjoy attention to detail will find mat cutting pretty easy and very rewarding. Even I did a few decent ones back in the day

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May 22, 2020 13:50:13   #
Rusty69 Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
 
So far this is all good advice. I do not use Photoshop, but I am curious about how changing the aspect ratio of an existing picture of a rectangular building would assist. Right now mats seem to be the answer, with a little creativity on my part. Are there any special tools designed to keep the bevels looking good?

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May 22, 2020 13:53:29   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Rusty69 wrote:
So far this is all good advice. I do not use Photoshop, but I am curious about how changing the aspect ratio of an existing picture of a rectangular building would assist. Right now mats seem to be the answer, with a little creativity on my part. Are there any special tools designed to keep the bevels looking good?
With the modest Logan I had, the cutter design holds the blade at an angle, so the only issue is when you get to a corner, you go just "far enough" to not leave a hanging chad

View some You-Tube videos to get a better idea of how the various models work.

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May 22, 2020 14:00:31   #
Rusty69 Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
 
Thanks Linda. As usual you always come through with great advice without being judgemental.

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May 22, 2020 14:05:05   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Rusty69 wrote:
Thanks Linda. As usual you always come through with great advice without being judgemental.
Thanks Rusty! I'm not 100% perfect at hiding my judgments, but I try 🤗 😊

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May 22, 2020 14:55:42   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Rusty69 wrote:
OK guys, I know this is an invitation to the trolls out there, but here goes.
I have recently been going back over lots of older photographs looking for printable images to update my wall art (C19 isolation giving me time I never had before).
I was really thrilled to find some great architectural and landscape shots from last year's trip to the UK. I even got advice from fellow Hoggers on what software to use to fix keystone issues on some of the buildings.
So far, so good, BUT, time to print some nice 10X8s on my great Canon printer, and whadda you know?
Framing - nothing would fit nicely in a 10x8 format - either the landscapes were too wide or the buildings too tall.
No excuses - I should know better at my age. Rule of thirds, etc. notwithstanding, when you are on vacation you think more about the memory you wish to capture than about how you will display that memory in your home. Also I guess the problem is exacerbated by the 10x8 format being "out of synch" with either of the conventional camera aspect ratios. Does anyone have an easy "fix" for this in the field? Stand further back is not always the right answer with buildings I fear.
OK guys, I know this is an invitation to the troll... (show quote)


Yes, buy digital mats and framing. Easy fix!

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May 22, 2020 15:11:24   #
BebuLamar
 
For the images you're already taken your best bet is to frame them they way they are like 8x12 instead of 8x10. For future images leave room on the side to make 8x10.

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May 22, 2020 16:26:26   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Rusty69 wrote:
OK guys, I know this is an invitation to the trolls out there, but here goes.
I have recently been going back over lots of older photographs looking for printable images to update my wall art (C19 isolation giving me time I never had before).
I was really thrilled to find some great architectural and landscape shots from last year's trip to the UK. I even got advice from fellow Hoggers on what software to use to fix keystone issues on some of the buildings.
So far, so good, BUT, time to print some nice 10X8s on my great Canon printer, and whadda you know?
Framing - nothing would fit nicely in a 10x8 format - either the landscapes were too wide or the buildings too tall.
No excuses - I should know better at my age. Rule of thirds, etc. notwithstanding, when you are on vacation you think more about the memory you wish to capture than about how you will display that memory in your home. Also I guess the problem is exacerbated by the 10x8 format being "out of synch" with either of the conventional camera aspect ratios. Does anyone have an easy "fix" for this in the field? Stand further back is not always the right answer with buildings I fear.
OK guys, I know this is an invitation to the troll... (show quote)


I almost always compose and crop my image to my liking, then cut a mat and window to accommodate. I use fairly standard mats - like 16x24, 24x36, etc, but the actual window will almost always be custom-sized. I try to refrain from letting the frame size dictate the image aspect ratio. I do a fair amount of panoramas so this is standard for me. What I would not ever think of doing is changing the aspect ratio using different scaling for width and height.

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