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Apr 25, 2020 08:10:03   #
teammt
 
Yep. The 90D replaces 7DII. Very good reviews.

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Apr 25, 2020 08:28:49   #
TommiRulz Loc: Corpus Christi, TX
 
BebuLamar wrote:
So on average how much it cost you buy and sell. That is what's the percentage of money you get back from selling?


Well I just do it for fun, because I really just love trying cameras, and I like to keep them for 3-6 months - (longer than a rental). I use Ebay - I try to buy used equipment, then I try to sell it for what I paid. And - I usually do, BUT then ebay tacks on a million fees. So that is where I get screwed, is with all the ebay fees. I think of it as the "rental fee".
But if you watch ebay and find a time when you might have the only one, or when prices go up, then I always sell mine for what I have paid.
I just sold a Sony RX10 iii for 21 dollars more than I paid, but paid about 80 in fees and shipping. (I hated that camera by the way)
So I definitely don't make any money - I just try not to lose too much

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Apr 25, 2020 10:52:32   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
I shoot sports and other fast moving objects and the 7DMKII is wonderful. The only drawback for me is it's performance in low light....not that great at all. When you have a poor lighting situation the 7DMKII leaves a lot to be desired. If I know the lighting is very low I go with a 6DMKII. Whatever you decide I wish you the best and good luck.

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Apr 26, 2020 16:23:32   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
cmceagle wrote:
Canon refurbished is a good way if you opt for this camera. I've used one for four years and the 100-400 MKII with battery grip is my walk around setup. When I purchased it, the FF option was 5DMKII but I couldn't justify an extra $1000 for FF. The secret with any camera is really learn how to use it. So for me I am happy with the camera and have concentrated on getting L-series glass. I know some say L-series is a waste on crop sensor cameras but I still like to have the best glass possible.
Canon refurbished is a good way if you opt for thi... (show quote)


I believe why some think L series are wasted is because the very center of the image circle thrown by the cheaper line is "almost" as good as the L series. And the center is what an APS-C sensor like the 7DII uses. However for my self I buy only FF lenses for my Canons. The wife and daughter do have a few APS-C lenses. Both have the 18-135 as a walk around. I use a 24-105L and if I am carrying an APS-C I put my 14 mm in the bag for wide angle subjects. I bought a Tamron 10-24 for APS-C with my first 7DII* but my daughter borrowed it for an Anime/Cosplay convention and fell in love with it. So I gave it to her for her birthday and it is now away at Medical School with her.

*Traded it for an 80D when that camera came out, missed all the specialized AF options and got another 7DII so now I have 3 bodies, 5DIV (replaced a 6D), 7DII and 80D. If/When they bring out the 7DIII or a real replacement for it (90D is not really a replacement for it) I will first ask if anyone in the family wants either the 7DII or 80D and either swap with them and then trade their old bodies or if they don't want to change cameras I'll trade them for a 7DIII and be back to two bodies.

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Apr 26, 2020 17:34:21   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
amfoto1 wrote:
While the upgrade from 50D to 7D Mark II would be good for wildlife photography, it would be less so for landscape photography.

Very generally speaking, for wildlife photography an ideal camera optimizes working with telephoto lenses.... an APS-C cropper like 50D and 7DII is great because that "leverages" lens focal length. The best camera for the purpose also has a high performance AF system that's both quick to acquire and good at tracking moving subjects. High frame rates can be handy, too. Sports, and to a lesser degree wildlife photography, doesn't typically demand high resolution. Many of the "top" performing sports cameras are 20, 21 or 24MP.

It's largely the opposite with landscape photography. The "best" camera optimizes working with wide angle lenses... a full frame or even medium format camera may be the most ideal, but also ends up being bigger, heavier and more expensive. This isn't to say that landscape photography is only done with wide angle lenses. Just that there is a bias toward shorter focal lengths, where for sports and wildlife the opposite is the case... there is a bias toward using powerful telephotos. AF performance doesn't need to be particularly rapid or good at tracking for landscape photography. It just needs to be accurate. And fast frame rates are rarely used for this type of photography. In fact, longer individual exposures are more likely. On the other hand, high resolution and good capture of fine detail can be important factors for landscape photography.

The "best" camera for you needs to be a compromise that does the best job addressing both these types of photography, which can be at odds with each other.

Even though I use a pair of 7D Mark II myself (mostly for sports... also for some wildlife), it's not what I'm going to recommend.

The best camera for you would be the Canon 90D. Here's my reasoning...

On the one hand, 90D is a crop sensor camera (like 50D and 7DII). And it has frame rates that largely match the 7DII's. 90D also has a reasonably high performance AF system quite capable of handling most sports & wildlife situations (although I still think the 7DII's AF system is superior by a small margin). The 45-point AF of the 90D will be a big step up from the 9-point AF in your 50D (three of which I used previously for a lot of sports, and some wildlife... before moving to a pair the original 7D for five years... then to a pair of 7DII a few years ago).

90D also has very high resolution for an APS-C camera, making it very usable for landscape photography. I won't kid you, a full frame camera might be even better capturing fine detail and at high ISOs... but not by a huge margin. The 90D offers 32.5MP resolution in a crop sensor body (so does the mirrorless M6 Mark II, by the way). This is higher resolution than most Canon full frame cameras! Full frame Canon 5D Mark IV and EOS R are both 30MP... full frame 6D Mark II and EOS RP are both 26MP. Right now only the 5DS and 5DS-R offer higher resolution: 50MP. The EOS R5 coming this Summer hasn't been specified, but many believe will be a 45MP camera. Sometime later, maybe next year, Canon is expected to produce an even higher resolution full frame model... probably in the 70MP to 85MP range. (Scaling up 32.5MP from Canon APS-C to full frame would make for an 83MP sensor... so that's what I'm betting on.)

Look online for reviews of 90D, image testing and examples. It's pretty impressive, considering that 32.5MP is the most of any APS-C camera being made by anyone today. It's also a big bump up from your 50D's 15MP or the 7DII's 20MP. Heck, it's even a big increase compared to the 24MP 80D.

The 90D also has Canon's Dual Pixel Live View AF and an articulated rear LCD Touch screen... both of which might be handy for some situations you encounter (and the 7DII lacks, as does your 50D).

There are a few ways that 7DII might be the "better" camera, but I doubt they will be of much concern to you. 7DII is more robust and rated for higher durability. It uses a lot of magnesium outer panels, where the 90D uses more high impact plastic. The 7DII also has slightly more sealing for weather and dust resistance, though the 90D is pretty good in this regard too (better than my two 30D that I soaked in a downpour some years ago, but was able to dry out and continue using!) The 7DII's shutter is rated to give 200,000 actuations, while the 90D's is rated for 120,000 clicks. For comparison, your 50D's is rated for 100,000... but you must not be an extremely high volume shooter, if you've worked with a 50D for this long.

The 7DII also has a slightly better optical viewfinder... both it and 90D have 100% coverage of the image area, but the 7DII gives a wee higher magnification... 1.0X (image in viewfinder is same size as when viewed directly with your eye). The 90D comes very close though, with something like 0.97X or 0.98X magnification. The difference should be hardly noticeable. The 7DII's 65-point AF system, all higher performance "cross type", is highly configurable and customizable, with seven different AF "patterns"... and a separate, 50 page user manual to describe all the adjustments and tweaks you can make. But the 90D comes close in this respect, too... it's 45-point AF system is also all the higher performance "cross type", and it has five different AF patterns to choose among, as well as a lot of user customizability.

The 7DII's AF performance is partly due to using a discrete chip to run the AF, while it's dual Digic 6 processors handle image processing and other functions separately. This arrangement has only been used in original 7D and 1D/1DX-series cameras. 90D uses a single processor for everything, but it's a two generation newer Digic 8, which saw a big jump in performance compared to earlier Digic processors. Digic 8 cameras are the first Canon capable of shooting 4K video, too. Digic 7 and earlier were limited to HD at most. If I recall correctly, compared to HD, 4K video means more than double as much data has to be handled by the processor, so the 90D's Digic 8 must be a lot more powerful than previous processors. (By the way, the 80D used a single Digic 6 processor for everything, and it's no slouch, though it maxed out with HD video.)

In one respect, 90D's (and 80D's) AF is superior to 7DII's. Your 50D is not "f/8 capable". This means the max lens aperture that allows it's AF to work is f/5.6. So, for example, while a Canon EF 400mm f/5.6L USM lens will autofocus fine on your camera, if you attach a 1.4X teleconverter to the lens, the camera's AF will no longer function. These newer cameras are "f/8 capable". The 7DII has a single AF point at the center (out of 65 total) that will work when a 1.4X TC is added to an f/5.6 lens or when a 2X TC is added to an f/4 lens. However, with select lens/teleconverter combos the 80D and now the 90D are able to autofocus with more of their 45 AF points... up to 27 of those points are "f/8 capable". This varies a lot depending upon the exact lens and TC, though. For example, the only combo I know of that allows using any of 27 points is the Canon EF 100-400mm L "II" with the Canon EF 1.4X "III" TC. Some other lens/TC pairings allow multiple points, but not this many. And a lot of combos are restricted to the center point only, same as 7DII.

7DII has dual memory card slots (one Compact Flash, the other SD). 90D has a single slot: SD (which supports faster UHS-II cards, while the 7DII's supports UHS-I).

7DII layout, controls, ergonomics and general "feel" are somewhat more similar to 50D. While the 50D was Canon's top-of-the-line APS-C model in its day, they sort of split that category in two with the 60D and original 7D that followed (both 18MP). It's arguable the 7D series was developed and added to the Canon line-up because Nikon had introduced the D200 and then D300, which were more pro-oriented APS-C models. In some respects Canon sort of "cheapened" the 60D compared to the 50D that preceded it, at the same time they "upgraded" the original 7D. But a lot has happened since then... 70D inherited the 7D's 18MP sensor, but the 70D makes better use of it, producing sharper images. 70D also introduced a new feature called Flicker Free or Anti-Flicker, which is very effective solving exposure problems under fluorescent and similar lighting. (7DII, 80D and 90D have it too, as do most Canon DSLRs and MILC now.)

70D also was the first model to get Dual Pixel AF in Live View. DPAF uses pairs of sensors embedded directly in the image sensor to autofocus. This greatly improves AF in Live View and now is found in nearly all Canon DSLRs. It's also the AF system used in all Canon mirrorless models since the M5 and M6 (2016/2017). 70D also got the Canon Micro Focus Adjustment feature re-instated. Your 50D has that. For some reason, Canon left it out of the 60D, though they put it in the 7D. Thankfully, they put it back in the 70D and nearly all subsequent models.

But, 7D Mark II is closing in on six years old, while the 90D is less than 1 year old. Canon introduced the 90D as a replacement for both 80D and 7DII... However while the 90D has clearly superseded 80D and is a solid update and upgrade from that model, a lot of 7DII users don't consider it a direct replacement and there is a good deal of speculation (hope?) that Canon will eventually produce a 7D Mark III model. Canon marketing seems to have pivoted away from the idea that 90D replaces both the preceding models, too.

So, while 7DII remains a top pick for pros doing high volume sports photography.... for someone like yourself, especially with your interest in landscape photography too, the 90D is very likely a better choice. Even if Canon gets around to making a 7D Mark III, it may get some incremental upgrades but is likely to be no more than 24MP and the 90D will still be better for some purposes or mix of purposes... like yours.

Best of all... 90D costs less. Even now when 7DII's "street price" has dropped quite a bit from when it was introduced and it's on sale with a $250 discount.... 7DII still costs $1399. That's $200 more than the list and current $1199 price of 90D!

The price difference carries over into some accessories, too. The BG-E16 battery grip used by the 7DII sells for $209... while the BG-E14 that the 70D, 80D, 90D all have used is selling for $169. Granted, the 7DII's grip has some add'l control features (a secondary "joystick" and AF pattern toggle switch), which the BG-E14 doesn't have. But, a grip may not be needed on it because the 90D is also a more power efficient camera. Using the same LP-EN battery the 90D is rated to get almost double the number of shots per battery charge as 7DII. Standard testing says 90D should get around 1300 shots, where 7DII gets 670 (both using CIPA testing standards... most users get significantly higher number of shots with various power saving techniques).

Some 90D vs 7DII comparisons:

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-90D-vs-Canon-EOS-7D-Mark-II
https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/canon/7d-mark-ii/vs/canon/90d/
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/canon-eos-90d-vs-eos-80d-vs-eos-7d-mark-ii-12-key-differences-to-be-aware-of
https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Camera-Specifications.aspx?Camera=1443&CameraComp=963

I also recommend reading some of the in depth reviews of both cameras you'll find online... Bryan Carnathan specializes in Canon gear and his reviews are always a good starting point:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-90D.aspx
https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-7D-Mark-II.aspx

In my opinion, the most ideal Canon camera for you is the 90D... It simply does the best job meeting your somewhat disparate purposes. And it would be a super upgrade from your 50D, at lower cost than 7DII. That's my recommendation, even though I use a pair of 7DII myself (though my uses for them are more sports/wildlife... AND I have full frame for the occasional landscape and some other purposes).
While the upgrade from 50D to 7D Mark II would be ... (show quote)


I personally use a 5DIV, 7DII & 80D. If they bring out a real full upgrade/replacement for the 7DII I will probably go back to two bodies. One thing I really hope the replacement has is the f/11 AF. So I guess I am hoping the replacement will be a 7R/D (III) or some such since only the mirrorless AF at f/11 so far.

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Apr 26, 2020 22:32:30   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
teammt wrote:
Yep. The 90D replaces 7DII. Very good reviews.

The 90D does not replace the 7D Mark II, which is still in Canon's lineup. The 7D Mark II is still superior to the 90D in a number of significant respects which are important to pro and advanced amateur photographers. They include, among other things: professional build quality. a very high level of weather sealing, a much more robust shutter box as well as other high quality switches, greater configuration flexibility, faster auto focus, many more focus points, more focusing modes and a greater number of frames per second.

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Apr 26, 2020 23:16:52   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
mwsilvers wrote:
The 90D does not replace the 7D Mark II, which is still in Canon's lineup. The 7D Mark II is still superior to the 90D in a number of significant respects which are important to pro and advanced amateur photographers. They include, among other things: professional build quality. a very high level of weather sealing, a much more robust shutter box as well as other high quality switches, greater configuration flexibility, faster auto focus, many more focus points, more focusing modes and a greater number of frames per second.
The 90D does not replace the 7D Mark II, which is ... (show quote)


And dual card slots.

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Apr 27, 2020 06:50:03   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
TriX wrote:
And dual card slots.


Thanks TriX, I totally forgot about that one. Duh!

The 7D Mark II is also the only Canon camera to have a lever underneath the joystick. Clearly this was an addition that Canon decided was not worth the effort to put on other cameras, but it is one more switch that can be reconfigured for multiple purposes on the 7D Mark II.

The Canon 7D Mark II also has 3 custom shooting modes, C1, C2 and C3, compared to two on the 90D.

There may even be a few more features that I've overlooked. However the main point is that suggesting that the 90D is a replacement for the Canon 7D Mark II is a fallacy.

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Jul 16, 2020 11:44:24   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
One of the best wildlife cameras and landscape should be good too. Old camera replaced by the new R6 (20megapixels) mirrorless. $2600 vs $1400. If you can afford it I would get the R6 with and adapter for you lens 8stop IBIS You would enter the mirrorless world and have the best camera and not a 10year old camera design. It is a lot of money but you would have an incredible camera with all the new features. The new R lens are $699 for a 600mm lens and $899 for 800mm lens . Go to B and H and look at these new Cameras by Canon before you buy old technology.

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Jul 16, 2020 12:43:41   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Btw, there’s currently a 7D2 for sale in the buy/sell/trade section.

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