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Mar 28, 2020 21:27:59   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Thanks for the clarification about macro. That is a foreign country to me!


Thank you!! I downloaded the book and made a note of the website. More studying to do!!!

Take care!!

Dodie

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Mar 28, 2020 21:29:19   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
jackm1943 wrote:
Focus stacking at a small aperture (eg f/2.8 to f/4) will do exactly what you are looking for.


Thank you, Jackm1943!!! This is a technique I haven't tried and need to learn more about.

Take care during these trying times!!

Dodie

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Mar 28, 2020 21:41:28   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
davidrb wrote:
Very interesting scenario. Our opinion is you were successful in your quest. The near bloom is in focus and the others are not. This is caused by depth of field as set by your aperture. f/5.6 is fairly long for this type shot but it was your choice and you have the results. We need to hear from you as to your degree of satisfaction. Is this what you wanted? If you had wanted less focus on the rear blooms you should have opened up your lens further. You have made a pleasant photograph but your statements indicate you may have wanted more of your chosen effect. Well done for presenting and asking, helps to "get to the next level." Your interest in this opens up wonderful worlds of options in shooting. Keep up the good work.
Very interesting scenario. Our opinion is you wer... (show quote)


Thank you, David!!! My purpose in this post was the opinion of others as to the quality of the lens...was the flower sharp? Is this a lens that close up photographers would recommend or should I buy a different one? A lot of you have larger screens (I am on a 15" laptop) and better skills to find the flaws (or lack there of) that I may be missing.

Recommendations for techniques and equipment are always welcomed as I venture into this genre of close up photography that I haven't attempted in many years other than as snapshots.

I also submitted this photo to the For Your Consideration community and have received some wonderful insights and ideas to use going forward. I have also discovered shortcomings in my abilities that need attention so I have made notes from both forums to help me improve.

Please take care during these trying times!!

Dodie

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Mar 28, 2020 21:45:28   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
pesfls wrote:
I understand that. Distance to subject and f stop do both interact. The comment was simply meant the to help the poster understand the need to learn that going from 60mm to 90 or 105 will have an impact, as a practical matter. Yes one can achieve the same dof at different focal lengths. For me, over the years the longer macro/micro lenses greatest benefit is working distance. I used the Nikon 55mm micro for years before they came out with the 105 f4. What a game changer that was.


Thank you for this information. I did know there would be differences with a longer lens and I am appreciative of the recommendation of the 105. I am still going back and forth between it and the Tamron 90. Your insights are greatly appreciated.

Take care!!

Dodie

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Mar 28, 2020 21:46:12   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
Leitz wrote:
Doesn't have to be macro only. Say your scene is 100' wide. You can move in closer with a wide-angle lens, or farther back with a long lens, as long as you're covering that 100' wide scene, your depth of field at any given aperture will be the same. I hope that clears it up!


It does!! Thank you!!

Dodie

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Mar 28, 2020 21:54:30   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
That is a little misleading. We have to know whether you're changing focal length alone, or whether you are also changing the subject to camera distance to compensate for the different angle of view, therefore keeping the subject approximately the same size in the final image with each focal length.

If the subject size and the f-stop are the same, then the depth of field will be pretty much the same between two different focal lengths. At 10 feet a 100mm lens at f/2.8 gives you a depth of field of 0.33 feet, while at 5 feet with a 50mm at f/2.8 you will also get 0.33 feet. (The subject will be the same size in the frame at 5 feet with a 50mm lens, as it will be at 10 feet with a 100mm lens.)

In the real world in actual practice we do not usually stand in the same place to photograph the same or similar subjects with two different focal lengths. With a shorter focal length lens we move closer in order to frame the subject in the viewfinder. With a shorter focal length, we move in closer and at the same aperture the depth of field will then be the same regardless of focal length.

Yes, a 35mm lens will give you greater apparent depth of field than a 400mm lens when taking a photograph of a person, providing that both photos are taken at the same distance from the subject. If we are photographing a flower, however, we fill the frame with the subject(s). That negates any depth if field advantage to a shorter focal length.

Therefore, for close up and macro photography, longer lenses have two advantages. First, you have greater working distance with a longer lens, and secondly you have a narrower and more realistic looking field of view, which means less distortion of the subject. Fill the frame with someone's face using a wide angle lens and that distortion becomes obvious.

Mike
That is a little misleading. We have to know wheth... (show quote)


Excellent examples, Mike and you make the point for me to purchase a longer lens. I just have to decide which one. In practice for me at this time the longer lens will also help with the fact that I can't get as close to every flower in my neighbor's yard as I can the pansies. There is a bush that has gorgeous dark red, double bloomed camellias but there are bushes all around it that make it impossible to get to with the 60mm. I am planning to take my 70-200 and my 150-600 to see if I can get a decent photo or 2 of these blooms. I know that I will have to take several photos with varying aperture settings to get the best results.

Thank you so much and please be careful during this pandemic!!

Dodie

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Mar 28, 2020 21:55:48   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
Chuckwal wrote:
Beautiful


Thank you, Charles!! I appreciate it!!

Please take care during these crazy times!!

Dodie

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Mar 28, 2020 21:59:44   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Dodie, I like your Johnny Jump ups very much.

That lens is nice, no problem. However, the effect you are after will be much easier with a longer lens. The depth of field will appear to be shallower with a longer lens (for the same framing of the subject.)

Mike


Thank you, Mike!!! I was later than I had wanted to be arriving at my neighbor's house so I wasn't able to take all the photos a the varying aperture setting that I had wanted. The one I chose had the sharpest (to me) front flower.

The research is on as to the Nikon 105 or the Tamron 90.

Thanks again!!

Dodie

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Mar 28, 2020 22:08:52   #
pesfls Loc: Oregon, USA
 
luvmypets wrote:
Thank you for this information. I did know there would be differences with a longer lens and I am appreciative of the recommendation of the 105. I am still going back and forth between it and the Tamron 90. Your insights are greatly appreciated.

Take care!!

Dodie


FYI, I know nothing of the Tamron. In over 50 years of photography, after a few others in my early growth years, I have never purchased any lens brand other than Nikon. Largely because I like durability. I am still using Nikon glass over 50 years old without difficulty. This is not a criticism of any other manufacturers, just my own experience. I can say I’ve owned the Nikon 105 f4 micro since it came out in 74 and it still remains my favorite and functions perfectly. I can’t speak to the new af f2.8 version so have no opinion. If your body supports it I bet a used 105 f4 manual could be had for a song compared to the new af version. Why one would care about af in this realm seems unnecessary to me. But I’ve never used such a version so am guessing.

I’d keep working with your 60 for a bit and then see where that leads you. No real need to rush. Persistence pays. Have fun regardless of where you head.

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Mar 28, 2020 22:16:42   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
pesfls wrote:
FYI, I know nothing of the Tamron. In over 50 years of photography, after a few others in my early growth years, I have never purchased any lens brand other than Nikon. Largely because I like durability. I am still using Nikon glass over 50 years old without difficulty. This is not a criticism of any other manufacturers, just my own experience. I can say I’ve owned the Nikon 105 f4 micro since it came out in 74 and it still remains my favorite and functions perfectly. I can’t speak to the new af f2.8 version so have no opinion.

I’d keep working with your 60 for a bit and then see where that leads you. No real need to rush. Persistence pays. Have fun regardless of where you head.
FYI, I know nothing of the Tamron. In over 50 yea... (show quote)


Thank you, Pesfls!! Your recommendation means a lot. Most of my lenses are Tamron and I have been very pleased with them. During my film days all my lenses were Nikons (still have them) and I know Nikon is a great product so I will have to continue the debate. I will continue with the 60 and I see where having both will be beneficial.

Take care!!

Dodie

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Mar 28, 2020 22:21:04   #
pesfls Loc: Oregon, USA
 
luvmypets wrote:
Thank you, Pesfls!! Your recommendation means a lot. Most of my lenses are Tamron and I have been very pleased with them. During my film days all my lenses were Nikons (still have them) and I know Nikon is a great product so I will have to continue the debate. I will continue with the 60 and I see where having both will be beneficial.

Take care!!

Dodie

Good luck in your quest Dodie.

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Mar 28, 2020 23:23:41   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
luvmypets wrote:
Thank you, Mike!!! I was later than I had wanted to be arriving at my neighbor's house so I wasn't able to take all the photos a the varying aperture setting that I had wanted. The one I chose had the sharpest (to me) front flower.

The research is on as to the Nikon 105 or the Tamron 90.

Thanks again!!

Dodie


I have heard good things about both of those lenses.

Mike

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Mar 28, 2020 23:34:57   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I have heard good things about both of those lenses.

Mike


Thank you!! Then I'm on the right track.

Dodie

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