A “Good” Shot??? (Page 9): I belong to a camera club and it is more a computer image manipulating CLUB. Take your picture that is barely acceptable, and manipulate it to be...

digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan

xt2 wrote:

I don’t wish to be negative in any way, however, I... (show quote)

I belong to a camera club and it is more a computer image manipulating CLUB. Take your picture that is barely acceptable, and manipulate it to be “impressive”. And we have 7 separate categories of photos. We have not as yet defined the parameters to accurately DEFINE each type. Soooo Then we argue about WHAT qualifies for “nature” —“Landscape” What makes a “Portrait”. And what qualifies as a Manipulated image. Arguments are frequent as to what is “?genuinely?” MANIPULATED,, etc....Then we wonder WHY we cant get new people that come in ,out of curiosity, to come back.....I say that we all should be encouraging and do what photo clubs should do....Bring in and SHOW our pictures, its the pictures and cameras we should focus on(no PUN) and not how much you can manipulate a mediocre capture. Taking poor pictures and then changing them to something ACCEPTABLE should be a “COMPUTER CLUB””.. On the Hogg, i have always been impressed that most reactions to images submitted, have been out of a hope to help. Why would we want to be”EXTREMELY CRITICAL of images submitted. When someone new comes to our club we Should get up and dance around them, and ask what they hope to gleen from what WE have to offer, But we should well define “What we intend to be.; A computer lmage manipulating group, OR a photo-camera image club. When you aren’t sure of what is your purpose, you cant RETAIN members. ....For me, i believe that the Hogg is a great place to go to get good advice, see all kinds of pictures, get opinions on cameras and gear, and various OPINIONS on all things regarding...PHOTOGRAPHY. It should NOT be ..exposure to elitist, condescending Know-it-alls, that criticize anything they can, just to demonstrate how they are superior to the general photographer. I personally have a list of those types in my Hogg IGNORE list, but New people posting their images do NOT need “extremely caustic critiques.....A good or very good image is almost always SUBJECTIVE, ....tread softly, be sensitive. WE know that some folks aren’t pro here.....it’s a good thing...................................................................RJM

digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan

Richard1947 wrote:

A negative but honest comment. I myself do not believe in dumming down someone’s work. I think providing suggestions on how one might improve a post is very acceptable. Very pointed negative feedback can sometimes make someone feel like giving up.

Thanks u RJM

digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan

CHG_CANON wrote:

An amateur shows you all his photos, a pro only shows you his best. A Photo Gallery critic shows nothing.

Probably accurate. Egos developed or not. Neither really wants nasty condescending “critiques “ of their work..

digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan

Rongnongno wrote:

- Quote: "You can't handle the truth!"
- Character: Col. Nathan R. Jessup
- Actor: Jack Nicholson

So... will you impart some “truth”.......as only you perceive it? TRUTH is so relative to the interpreters vision, in other words, damned near useless,,

digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan

CHG_CANON wrote:

i You don't want the truth because deep down in p... (show quote)

Interesting that you didn’t address a particular “respondent” here.who were you reacting to.?........RJM

RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas

Sounds like you have a problem are two?

digit-up wrote:

I belong to a camera club and it is more a computer image manipulating CLUB. Take your picture that is barely acceptable, and manipulate it to be “impressive”. And we have 7 separate categories of photos. We have not as yet defined the parameters to accurately DEFINE each type. Soooo Then we argue about WHAT qualifies for “nature” —“Landscape” What makes a “Portrait”. And what qualifies as a Manipulated image. Arguments are frequent as to what is “?genuinely?” MANIPULATED,, etc....Then we wonder WHY we cant get new people that come in ,out of curiosity, to come back.....I say that we all should be encouraging and do what photo clubs should do....Bring in and SHOW our pictures, its the pictures and cameras we should focus on(no PUN) and not how much you can manipulate a mediocre capture. Taking poor pictures and then changing them to something ACCEPTABLE should be a “COMPUTER CLUB””.. On the Hogg, i have always been impressed that most reactions to images submitted, have been out of a hope to help. Why would we want to be”EXTREMELY CRITICAL of images submitted. When someone new comes to our club we Should get up and dance around them, and ask what they hope to gleen from what WE have to offer, But we should well define “What we intend to be.; A computer lmage manipulating group, OR a photo-camera image club. When you aren’t sure of what is your purpose, you cant RETAIN members. ....For me, i believe that the Hogg is a great place to go to get good advice, see all kinds of pictures, get opinions on cameras and gear, and various OPINIONS on all things regarding...PHOTOGRAPHY. It should NOT be ..exposure to elitist, condescending Know-it-alls, that criticize anything they can, just to demonstrate how they are superior to the general photographer. I personally have a list of those types in my Hogg IGNORE list, but New people posting their images do NOT need “extremely caustic critiques.....A good or very good image is almost always SUBJECTIVE, ....tread softly, be sensitive. WE know that some folks aren’t pro here.....it’s a good thing...................................................................RJM

I belong to a camera club and it is more a compute... (show quote)

Abo

CHG_CANON wrote:

Photography is easy when you don’t know how, but very difficult when you do.

Mate, as you know I'm not a big fan of your "sound bites"...
however, imho the above is a beauty.

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

joer wrote:

People have different values, standards and understanding of what is a quality image. You have no right to impose your views on others. If you don't like an image pass it by and keep your thoughts to yourself..

Making a polite negative comment is not "imposing your views" on others. Some people have a very difficult time looking objectively at their own work.
I have the opposite difficulty. My delete key is the most used key on my computer. My wife says I'm a perfectionist. I say you have to be to produce good photographs. And I have yet to post a perfect photograph. I much prefer polite criticism to effusive, undeserved praise. It makes me take a second, third, or fourth look at my offerings.

chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA

Retired CPO wrote:

Making a polite negative comment is not "impo... (show quote)

...hear here!

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Retired CPO wrote:

Making a polite negative comment is not "impo... (show quote)

AS I have said multiple times, much depends on the photographer's purpose. From my viewpoint, a good rendition of what exists at the moment is better than a perfect rendition of what I wished existed.

photosbytw Loc: Blue Ridge Mountains

rehess wrote:

AS I have said multiple times, much depends on the photographer's purpose. From my viewpoint, a good rendition of what exists at the moment is better than a perfect rendition of what I wished existed.

(He said humorously)........I think Ansel Adams just turned over in his grave........

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

photosbytw wrote:

(He said humorously)........I think Ansel Adams just turned over in his grave........

{He said honestly} Ansel was an artist - I never claim that for myself.
Many photographers seem to look to Ansel - I look to men such as "Weegee" myself

photosbytw Loc: Blue Ridge Mountains

rehess wrote:

{He said honestly} Ansel was an artist - I never claim that for myself.
Many photographers seem to look to Ansel - I look to men such as "Weegee" myself

WEEGEE!........Weegee was a god!(Note the small g).......If there was ever anyone who had more fun with a 4x5 Speed Graphic, I never heard of him!!

RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas

Richard1947 wrote:

Yes, but again I think expressing your opinion on someone else’s photo should only be done when it’s asked. I don’t feel I have lied to anyone about their picture. I don’t think constructive criticism is a part of what the Photo Gallery was intended for do you?

Actually I think you are in the wrong forum just my opinion of course which no doubt you will disagree have a nice day.....

RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas

Sweet: Paul....well said.....

CHG_CANON wrote:

i You don't want the truth because deep down in p... (show quote)