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Feb 8, 2020 17:49:14   #
EyeSawYou
 
"There are some who say that c*******m is the wave of the future. Let them come to Berlin!"

That was June 1963 in West Berlin where President John F. Kennedy gave one of his most memorable addresses. The speech was a stirring defense of liberty and a pointed critique of c*******m.

Whether you agree with Kennedy broadly or narrowly, I've rediscovered that speech and find it to relate now more than ever to the unfolding drama in the country of my birth, Venezuela. My family and I left Venezuela when I was 10. We had every intention of returning. Then Hugo Chavez took power, promising to usher in shared prosperity for all with his "21st century socialism." We never went back.

Kennedy's words should be a wake-up call to my fellow Americans, and especially to his fellow Democrats, as I see more millennials rejecting capitalism and embracing socialism as "the wave of the future." So, when Teen Vogue tweeted recently, "Can't #endpoverty without ending capitalism!" my initial reaction was, "Let them come to Venezuela."

Venezuela was once the most prosperous country in Latin America, but today almost 90% of its population lives in poverty. Venezuela's economy is in shambles. Recently, Venezuela's own government released a report showing that its annual inflation rate accelerated to a whopping 833,000% in October alone.

Socialism: Despair And Misery
In practical terms, Venezuela's misery means that it is not uncommon to see children rummaging through the garbage for food. And as basic medical supplies and medicine run dangerously low, newborns and the elderly die unattended in Venezuelan hospitals.

These heartbreaking scenes are difficult for anyone to bear, but for me, it's personal. I know many Venezuelans who held out hope that this "21st Century" form of socialism would turn out better than the 20th century version, but their dreams were quickly dashed.

Chavez may have died in 2013, but his ideas live on through his hand-picked successor, Nicolas Maduro. Today, Maduro rules Venezuela with an iron grip, fighting the growing opposition as more and more Venezuelans are realizing that Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was right when she said the trouble with socialist governments is that they eventually "run out of other people's money."

Scores of people who dared to speak up against the government have been k**led or imprisoned. Political dissidents have been subjected to brutality, torture, and constant persecution.

Romanticizing Socialism
Even with all this happening in our own hemisphere, some Americans still cling to a romanticized view of socialism. According to Gallup, Democrats have a more positive image of socialism than capitalism. And in a poll taken last year, a majority of millennials said that they would rather live under socialist than capitalism.

Let them come to Venezuela.

It has been especially painful for me to see a number of candidates openly running as Democratic socialists. The prime example is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, who was recently elected to represent New York's 14th District in Congress.

And in my home state of Florida, Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum came a few thousand v**es shy of claiming the governor's mansion. Mayor Gillum was endorsed by the godfather of democratic socialism, Sen. Bernie Sanders, who has praised Fidel Castro and c*******t Cuba.

Bernie's 'American Dream'
In a 2006 column, Sen. Sanders wrote: "These days, the American Dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina," all practitioners of 21st century socialism. It is impossible to square that comment with the realities in those three countries today.

Let Ocasio-Cortez, Gillum, and Sanders come to Venezuela.

What's particularly galling about Sen. Sanders waxing poetic about the virtues of socialism is that he looks the other way as socialist leaders live in opulence while the masses starve.

We all sat in stunned disgust as Venezuela's Nicolas Maduro was recently caught feasting at the lavish Nusret Steakhouse in Turkey, chuckling as celebrity chef "Salt Bae" sprinkled salt on his perfectly prepared steak. Meanwhile, back in Venezuela, millions of his countrymen have lost an average of 19 pounds due to food shortages.

Venezuela's Lesson
Let Salt Bae come to Venezuela.

My family and I are among the fortunate. We left Venezuela well before the worst of it took hold and were able to stay away. But others in my extended family have not been so fortunate. For them, life is a daily struggle. It helps explain why anywhere from 1.6 million to 2 million Venezuelans are expected to leave this year alone.

Socialism has destroyed the country of my birth, and it would be wrong to believe it couldn't happen here. So, when you hear politicians preaching the wonders of socialism in any of its forms, think of my family.

So again I say, let them come to Venezuela. They will not like what they see.

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/socialism-venezuela-chavez-poverty/

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Feb 8, 2020 18:33:36   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
I am sure I will be labelled a socialist for this comment, but I will make it anyway.

I believe there are certain "rights" or "amenities" that everyone should be entitled to; or at least there should be some stability in the cost of these things. So a big issue for me is price control of the necessities of life. While I do not advocate running all of these essentials by the government, I do wish that there were regulations to control the prices being charged. Maybe that is seen as government control, but I think in many cases it is justified.

Electricity, water, gas, gasoline, and now even internet service, are pretty much essential, and it drives me crazy that, while most of these are fairly stable price wise over longer periods of time, gasoline prices go up and down not only throughout the week but even throughout the day. It used to be that the oil companies argued that they could not drop the pump price when the barrel of oil went down because the gasoline at the pump came from the purchase of oil when the price was high 3 months prior. But they sure didn't hold the pump price down for 3 months when the price of a barrel of oil went up!

Internet and phone service is next on my list. Why does the business model of these services not reward customers for loyalty? Every few months someone knocks on my door with an introductory offer of better cable, internet or phone service if I switch providers. Of course, the introductory offer will expire after a period of time and the price will go up. I would like to see a business model where the price comes down progressively for me for every year that I stick with the company! With the current approach I get the best value for my money by flipping between providers, or calling up my provider and threatening to switch if they don't do something about my bill. Why do I, the loyal customer, have to beg to be treated nicely?

Food, another life necessity, is a good example of where the industry pretty much regulates itself without government intervention. The cost of most food items is fairly stable over longer periods of time, with periodic sales to promote some products or to move those close to expiry. But for the most part people know the cost of a loaf of bread at a particular store over weeks if not months.

I am not against industries making a profit, and I am not against profits going up for legitimate reasons. Take flat screen TVs as an example. When they first came out they were VERY expensive. With mass production and increases in volume of sales, prices have come down a lot. But I will bet you the profits of the companies have gone up, not because of increased prices, but because of increased number of sales and smaller profit margins per item. Even if prices remained the same for an item, if people feel the price is fair they will buy the product. If the company can then find a way of reducing manufacturing cost they can increase their profit without burden on the customer. The company's employees can now get a raise and they improve their standard of living.

So is it capitalism that drives the free market and allows prices to swing so much?
Or is it socialism where there is rather longterm stability in wages and prices?
Is there a happy medium?

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Feb 8, 2020 18:48:56   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
"There are some who say that c*******m is the wave of the future. Let them come to Berlin!"

That was June 1963 in West Berlin where President John F. Kennedy gave one of his most memorable addresses. The speech was a stirring defense of liberty and a pointed critique of c*******m.

Whether you agree with Kennedy broadly or narrowly, I've rediscovered that speech and find it to relate now more than ever to the unfolding drama in the country of my birth, Venezuela. My family and I left Venezuela when I was 10. We had every intention of returning. Then Hugo Chavez took power, promising to usher in shared prosperity for all with his "21st century socialism." We never went back.

Kennedy's words should be a wake-up call to my fellow Americans, and especially to his fellow Democrats, as I see more millennials rejecting capitalism and embracing socialism as "the wave of the future." So, when Teen Vogue tweeted recently, "Can't #endpoverty without ending capitalism!" my initial reaction was, "Let them come to Venezuela."

Venezuela was once the most prosperous country in Latin America, but today almost 90% of its population lives in poverty. Venezuela's economy is in shambles. Recently, Venezuela's own government released a report showing that its annual inflation rate accelerated to a whopping 833,000% in October alone.

Socialism: Despair And Misery
In practical terms, Venezuela's misery means that it is not uncommon to see children rummaging through the garbage for food. And as basic medical supplies and medicine run dangerously low, newborns and the elderly die unattended in Venezuelan hospitals.

These heartbreaking scenes are difficult for anyone to bear, but for me, it's personal. I know many Venezuelans who held out hope that this "21st Century" form of socialism would turn out better than the 20th century version, but their dreams were quickly dashed.

Chavez may have died in 2013, but his ideas live on through his hand-picked successor, Nicolas Maduro. Today, Maduro rules Venezuela with an iron grip, fighting the growing opposition as more and more Venezuelans are realizing that Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was right when she said the trouble with socialist governments is that they eventually "run out of other people's money."

Scores of people who dared to speak up against the government have been k**led or imprisoned. Political dissidents have been subjected to brutality, torture, and constant persecution.

Romanticizing Socialism
Even with all this happening in our own hemisphere, some Americans still cling to a romanticized view of socialism. According to Gallup, Democrats have a more positive image of socialism than capitalism. And in a poll taken last year, a majority of millennials said that they would rather live under socialist than capitalism.

Let them come to Venezuela.

It has been especially painful for me to see a number of candidates openly running as Democratic socialists. The prime example is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, who was recently elected to represent New York's 14th District in Congress.

And in my home state of Florida, Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum came a few thousand v**es shy of claiming the governor's mansion. Mayor Gillum was endorsed by the godfather of democratic socialism, Sen. Bernie Sanders, who has praised Fidel Castro and c*******t Cuba.

Bernie's 'American Dream'
In a 2006 column, Sen. Sanders wrote: "These days, the American Dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina," all practitioners of 21st century socialism. It is impossible to square that comment with the realities in those three countries today.

Let Ocasio-Cortez, Gillum, and Sanders come to Venezuela.

What's particularly galling about Sen. Sanders waxing poetic about the virtues of socialism is that he looks the other way as socialist leaders live in opulence while the masses starve.

We all sat in stunned disgust as Venezuela's Nicolas Maduro was recently caught feasting at the lavish Nusret Steakhouse in Turkey, chuckling as celebrity chef "Salt Bae" sprinkled salt on his perfectly prepared steak. Meanwhile, back in Venezuela, millions of his countrymen have lost an average of 19 pounds due to food shortages.

Venezuela's Lesson
Let Salt Bae come to Venezuela.

My family and I are among the fortunate. We left Venezuela well before the worst of it took hold and were able to stay away. But others in my extended family have not been so fortunate. For them, life is a daily struggle. It helps explain why anywhere from 1.6 million to 2 million Venezuelans are expected to leave this year alone.

Socialism has destroyed the country of my birth, and it would be wrong to believe it couldn't happen here. So, when you hear politicians preaching the wonders of socialism in any of its forms, think of my family.

So again I say, let them come to Venezuela. They will not like what they see.

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/socialism-venezuela-chavez-poverty/
"There are some who say that c*******m is the... (show quote)


Maybe you should visit some other socialist countries ..... try Denmark or Norway .....also visit the United States and learn about such programs as Social Security , Medicare, Farm Aid etc.

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Feb 8, 2020 18:56:33   #
EyeSawYou
 
DEBJENROB wrote:
Maybe you should visit some other socialist countries ..... try Denmark or Norway .....also visit the United States and learn about such programs as Social Security , Medicare, Farm Aid etc.


Denmark and Norway are not socialist States. Also, Social Security , Medicare, Farm Aid are not socialist programs, it's called welfare Capitalism. Please educate yourself on the difference.

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Feb 8, 2020 22:34:16   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
Denmark and Norway are not socialist States. Also, Social Security , Medicare, Farm Aid are not socialist programs, it's called welfare Capitalism. Please educate yourself on the difference.


you know less than I imagined

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Feb 8, 2020 23:40:31   #
EyeSawYou
 
DEBJENROB wrote:
you know less than I imagined


Oh I know much more about what Socialism entails than most Lefties including you who think they support socialism or know anything about it lol. You know nothing.

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Feb 8, 2020 23:46:14   #
EyeSawYou
 
DEBJENROB wrote:
you know less than I imagined


You are very bright, at all.

'Danish PM in US: Denmark is not socialist'

https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist

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Feb 9, 2020 05:44:29   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
You are very bright, at all.

'Danish PM in US: Denmark is not socialist'

https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist


SO TELL ME ..... IT IS NEWS TO YOU ..... WE HAVE ELEMENTS OF SOCIALISM IN OUR SOCIETY ....

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Feb 9, 2020 08:23:42   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
DEBJENROB wrote:
Maybe you should visit some other socialist countries ..... try Denmark or Norway .....also visit the United States and learn about such programs as Social Security , Medicare, Farm Aid etc.


Denmark and Norway are not socialist.

Meanwhile:

Cuba ... firing squads for dissenters.

China ... a bulket in the head with the bill sent to the family.

USSR ... gulags and mass starvation.

Cambodia ... k*****g fields.

Laos ... reeducation camps.

Were/are.

This weekends assignment, read a book.

Class dismissed.

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Feb 9, 2020 08:25:42   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
DEBJENROB wrote:
you know less than I imagined


If I buy you a book and mail it to you, will you read it?

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Feb 9, 2020 08:36:11   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
"There are some who say that c*******m is the wave of the future. Let them come to Berlin!"

That was June 1963 in West Berlin where President John F. Kennedy gave one of his most memorable addresses. The speech was a stirring defense of liberty and a pointed critique of c*******m.

Whether you agree with Kennedy broadly or narrowly, I've rediscovered that speech and find it to relate now more than ever to the unfolding drama in the country of my birth, Venezuela. My family and I left Venezuela when I was 10. We had every intention of returning. Then Hugo Chavez took power, promising to usher in shared prosperity for all with his "21st century socialism." We never went back.

Kennedy's words should be a wake-up call to my fellow Americans, and especially to his fellow Democrats, as I see more millennials rejecting capitalism and embracing socialism as "the wave of the future." So, when Teen Vogue tweeted recently, "Can't #endpoverty without ending capitalism!" my initial reaction was, "Let them come to Venezuela."

Venezuela was once the most prosperous country in Latin America, but today almost 90% of its population lives in poverty. Venezuela's economy is in shambles. Recently, Venezuela's own government released a report showing that its annual inflation rate accelerated to a whopping 833,000% in October alone.

Socialism: Despair And Misery
In practical terms, Venezuela's misery means that it is not uncommon to see children rummaging through the garbage for food. And as basic medical supplies and medicine run dangerously low, newborns and the elderly die unattended in Venezuelan hospitals.

These heartbreaking scenes are difficult for anyone to bear, but for me, it's personal. I know many Venezuelans who held out hope that this "21st Century" form of socialism would turn out better than the 20th century version, but their dreams were quickly dashed.

Chavez may have died in 2013, but his ideas live on through his hand-picked successor, Nicolas Maduro. Today, Maduro rules Venezuela with an iron grip, fighting the growing opposition as more and more Venezuelans are realizing that Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was right when she said the trouble with socialist governments is that they eventually "run out of other people's money."

Scores of people who dared to speak up against the government have been k**led or imprisoned. Political dissidents have been subjected to brutality, torture, and constant persecution.

Romanticizing Socialism
Even with all this happening in our own hemisphere, some Americans still cling to a romanticized view of socialism. According to Gallup, Democrats have a more positive image of socialism than capitalism. And in a poll taken last year, a majority of millennials said that they would rather live under socialist than capitalism.

Let them come to Venezuela.

It has been especially painful for me to see a number of candidates openly running as Democratic socialists. The prime example is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, who was recently elected to represent New York's 14th District in Congress.

And in my home state of Florida, Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum came a few thousand v**es shy of claiming the governor's mansion. Mayor Gillum was endorsed by the godfather of democratic socialism, Sen. Bernie Sanders, who has praised Fidel Castro and c*******t Cuba.

Bernie's 'American Dream'
In a 2006 column, Sen. Sanders wrote: "These days, the American Dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina," all practitioners of 21st century socialism. It is impossible to square that comment with the realities in those three countries today.

Let Ocasio-Cortez, Gillum, and Sanders come to Venezuela.

What's particularly galling about Sen. Sanders waxing poetic about the virtues of socialism is that he looks the other way as socialist leaders live in opulence while the masses starve.

We all sat in stunned disgust as Venezuela's Nicolas Maduro was recently caught feasting at the lavish Nusret Steakhouse in Turkey, chuckling as celebrity chef "Salt Bae" sprinkled salt on his perfectly prepared steak. Meanwhile, back in Venezuela, millions of his countrymen have lost an average of 19 pounds due to food shortages.

Venezuela's Lesson
Let Salt Bae come to Venezuela.

My family and I are among the fortunate. We left Venezuela well before the worst of it took hold and were able to stay away. But others in my extended family have not been so fortunate. For them, life is a daily struggle. It helps explain why anywhere from 1.6 million to 2 million Venezuelans are expected to leave this year alone.

Socialism has destroyed the country of my birth, and it would be wrong to believe it couldn't happen here. So, when you hear politicians preaching the wonders of socialism in any of its forms, think of my family.

So again I say, let them come to Venezuela. They will not like what they see.

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/socialism-venezuela-chavez-poverty/
"There are some who say that c*******m is the... (show quote)


Of course you could always go to Russia, to experience Putin's democracy.

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Feb 9, 2020 08:39:47   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
DEBJENROB wrote:
you know less than I imagined


Funny, he couldn't possibly know less than I imagine.

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Feb 9, 2020 08:40:25   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
Oh I know much more about what Socialism entails than most Lefties including you who think they support socialism or know anything about it lol. You know nothing.


"I know more than all the Generals"

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Feb 9, 2020 08:41:39   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
LWW wrote:
If I buy you a book and mail it to you, will you read it?


"Have you no shame"

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Feb 9, 2020 08:43:30   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
thom w wrote:
"Have you no shame"


I already knew you wouldn't.

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