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Dec 5, 2019 09:58:35   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Some links -
https://www.lightstalking.com/considerations-mirrorless-cameras/
http://www.lightstalking.com/mirrorless-vs-dslr/
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras,news-17736.html
https://www.lightstalking.com/six-points-consider-transition-mirrorless-system/
http://www.diyphotography.net/love-breaks-sold-mirrorless-camera/
http://digital-photography-school.com/how-the-switch-from-dslr-to-mirrorless-changed-how-i-edit-photos/

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Dec 5, 2019 10:01:22   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
"I know the value of full frame having shot with film years ago"

I admit that I do not understand what you mean by the "value of full frame." Better image quality IS NOT one of its values. Think that if you go to full frame you will need new lenses. It makes no sense to use full frame bodies with lenses for cropped cameras.
Mirrorless cameras are smaller, lighter and convenient. In a small bag a couple of bodies and three lenses will not take much room and at the end of the day you will not be tired from carrying your gear. I do not believe you got good advise from the Canon rep.

Mirrorless is not a necessity but it is convenient. Mirrorless cameras are hard to beat when you want to travel light knowing that the quality of the images will be there. If a full frame mirrorless is what you have in mind I do not see how could you be wrong. On the other hand a full frame dSLR is also a great choice although the latter is bulkier and heavier.

I use Olympus bodies with Olympus and Panasonic lenses and I could not be happier.

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Dec 5, 2019 10:17:26   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Just because they make electric cars doesn't mean they are better than internal combustion cars.

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Dec 5, 2019 10:21:48   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Just because they make electric cars doesn't mean they are better than internal combustion cars.


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Dec 5, 2019 10:24:01   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
You can't replace luck and timing. But, you can mirrorless.

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Dec 5, 2019 10:29:15   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Billshots wrote:
Hi all,
I am trying to decide on a new camera purchase. Currently I have a Canon 60D which I have had many years of enjoyment. I know the value of full frame having shot with film years ago. I just don't know if mirrorless is a necessity. Any help or thoughts would be appreciated.


I, too, have a Canon 60D which I have been using for about 9 years. I am also looking to upgrade in about a year. I think you need to decide what features are important to you that will be significant upgrades from the D60. For me, they are the following: two card slots, less noise at high ISOs, better dynamic range, better auto focusing, better low light functioning, at least 24 mega pixels, eye auto focus, full frame. I will likely go mirrorless as they are a bit lighter, although lens selection essentially negates the weight loss. I have also heard positive things about the EVF although I have yet to try it out. As the 60D is very old (about 10 years) there are many choices to consider. Good luck.

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Dec 5, 2019 10:32:34   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Billshots wrote:
Hi all,
I am trying to decide on a new camera purchase. Currently I have a Canon 60D which I have had many years of enjoyment. I know the value of full frame having shot with film years ago. I just don't know if mirrorless is a necessity. Any help or thoughts would be appreciated.


Really depends on what kind of photographs you are trying to capture and in what environments.

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Dec 5, 2019 10:35:06   #
Hip Coyote
 
Your question is a false choice. You can have both. Depending on what it is you want to do, there are full frame mirrorless cameras, such as Sony, that are excellent. I am an Oly. 4/3 user for a lot of reasons, but if I ever need to go full frame, then I’d look to move to full frame mirrorless.

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Dec 5, 2019 10:43:12   #
Billshots Loc: Long Island,NY
 
Thanks

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Dec 5, 2019 10:47:26   #
BebuLamar
 
camerapapi wrote:
"I know the value of full frame having shot with film years ago"

I admit that I do not understand what you mean by the "value of full frame." Better image quality IS NOT one of its values. Think that if you go to full frame you will need new lenses. It makes no sense to use full frame bodies with lenses for cropped cameras.
Mirrorless cameras are smaller, lighter and convenient. In a small bag a couple of bodies and three lenses will not take much room and at the end of the day you will not be tired from carrying your gear. I do not believe you got good advise from the Canon rep.

Mirrorless is not a necessity but it is convenient. Mirrorless cameras are hard to beat when you want to travel light knowing that the quality of the images will be there. If a full frame mirrorless is what you have in mind I do not see how could you be wrong. On the other hand a full frame dSLR is also a great choice although the latter is bulkier and heavier.

I use Olympus bodies with Olympus and Panasonic lenses and I could not be happier.
"I know the value of full frame having shot w... (show quote)


When I switched to digital "I know the value of full frame having shot with film years ago" simply because I can use the same lenses for the same situations.

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Dec 5, 2019 12:04:56   #
rebride
 
Billshots wrote:
Hi all,
I know the value of full frame having shot with film years ago. I just don't know if mirrorless is a necessity.


Back in film days 35mm was considered the 'minature format'.
All cameras were mirrorless once upon a time.

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Dec 5, 2019 12:13:28   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
I have Nikon FX and DX as well as two types of quality Mirrorless. All have their strong points. I have tried bringing one of each - a DSLR and Mirrrorless on serious photo trips twice. I might as well have brought just the DSLR, the other was nearly unused each time. When I just bring one of the mirrorless, usually on a casual "opportunity" photo jaunt, either does a fine job. Key point to me is the greater variety of lenses and general flexibility of the DSLR, as well as the fact I have been using the Nikon system cameras since the mid '60's - full size cameras just feel better and work better for me. I trust them. BTW I could as easily have gone with Canon from the start - it was just a question of circumstances and opportunity. Good luck with your decision.

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Dec 5, 2019 13:20:59   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Billshots wrote:
Hi all,
I am trying to decide on a new camera purchase. Currently I have a Canon 60D which I have had many years of enjoyment. I know the value of full frame having shot with film years ago. I just don't know if mirrorless is a necessity. Any help or thoughts would be appreciated.


"I know the value of full frame having shot with film years ago." Is like saying "Having used a hand saw, I know the value of tooth count on a table saw!" The statement is meaningless.

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Dec 5, 2019 13:26:19   #
Billshots Loc: Long Island,NY
 
Why would you take the time to be sarcastic rather than helpful? You comment is actually meaningless.

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Dec 5, 2019 13:33:31   #
ralf Loc: NJ
 
My feeling is that mirrorless full-frame cameras are too new --- they are not mature enough yet, especially the ones from Nikon and Canon. The one mature mirrorless system is Sony, but they have major ergonomics issues and missing features. In November I moved from DX to FX after months and months of research. I went from a D7100 to a D850 (mirrored DSLR). What convinced me to bypass the Z7 (mirrorless) was that I handled the Z6, Z7, and D850 at the NYC photo show in October, and this experience confirmed that the Z7 is not ready for prime time. Very little top quality glass is available for most mirrorless (except Sony has some great glass - at a price). For DLSR's you have a huge selection of top quality glass, including very nice alternatives from Tamron and Sigma. I am very happy at having moved to full-frame and the D850 has exceeded my expectations.
As always, you have to make your own decision based on what is important (and not important) to you.

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