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Oct 1, 2019 12:56:37   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Fredrick wrote:
I’ve printed up to 12 X 16 from my iPhone 8+ and they also look great.


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This is the crux of the matter. If one device is claimed to be "better", then I want to know "better for what." Every camera has its pros and cons. Let’s just give it all a rest. Personally I think that cellphones are a respectable way to get some excellent photos.

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Oct 1, 2019 13:11:17   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
rmalarz wrote:
Comparing cell phone photos to those taken with digital cameras is like comparing apples and oranges. It's very similar to comparing photos taken with a 35mm camera and those taken with a 4x5. Yeah, they are both cameras, but each delivers a completely different quality photograph.
--Bob


We’re speaking to the choir on this issue, photographer to photographer. Most cell phone users aren’t much concerned about quality of the resulting photo or the size of the print. They’re just snapping away to document their lives and share their pictures. When I got my iPhone XR I was curious and found Emil
Pakarklis on YouTube with his lessons. A real eye opener as to what these devices can do. I won’t abandon my D7200 and I don’t do much printing so I can live with both.

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Oct 1, 2019 13:24:50   #
GailConnorsPhotography Loc: Holbrook, MA
 
Jaackil wrote:
Oh really? Pictures only good for the web? Sorry but not true. Just printed several 11x14 images taken with my old iPhone 6s that came out spectacular.


:sm24

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Oct 1, 2019 13:27:50   #
GailConnorsPhotography Loc: Holbrook, MA
 
Jim-Pops wrote:
In respond to Rongnongno's comment, "If you try to get good prints out of then your results will not be in par with what you get using a 'normal camera'.

I was watching a YouTube video yesterday from Jared Polin where he is talking about the new iPhone 11 Pro. Near the end he mentions the prints he is getting from his Cannon printer are very good in fact better than what he was seeing on the iPhone screen. So as I see it things are changing our world is changing.

My kids, nearly 50 years old, only use the cell phone for a camera. My biggest concern about cell phone photos is will these younger people ever have pictures of themselves for their Grand Children. I just don't think many people are printing their photos for family history.

Jared's iPhone review...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEjF8Ny4hHg
In respond to Rongnongno's comment, "If you t... (show quote)


Very good YouTube video!

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Oct 1, 2019 13:29:37   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
gvarner wrote:
We’re speaking to the choir on this issue, photographer to photographer. Most cell phone users aren’t much concerned about quality of the resulting photo or the size of the print. They’re just snapping away to document their lives and share their pictures. When I got my iPhone XR I was curious and found Emil
Pakarklis on YouTube with his lessons. A real eye opener as to what these devices can do. I won’t abandon my D7200 and I don’t do much printing so I can live with both.


I will not buy a cellphone that does not have a Pro selection in its menu. The standard photo section is very good, but one can do a lot more by switching to the Pro mode if they know what they are doing and want to pull the most from their cellphone. Is the cellphone then as good as a stand alone camera in all situations? No. But one is able to improve over some the phone's standard algorithms. And it allows for creativity, like low key and high key shooting, where the phone is going to try and even out the lighting. And just like the ordinary camera, being digital allows one to shoot and change the settings until the shot is as perfect as possible, the subject is gone, or the moment has passed.

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Oct 1, 2019 13:50:32   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
The only reason I got an iPhone was that it was the only phone that ran an app that made my photography incredibly easier. That app nails exposure and processing. Otherwise, I'd be still using my Motorola small flip phone. I think that one might have had a camera, but I really don't remember.
--Bob
gvarner wrote:
We’re speaking to the choir on this issue, photographer to photographer. Most cell phone users aren’t much concerned about quality of the resulting photo or the size of the print. They’re just snapping away to document their lives and share their pictures. When I got my iPhone XR I was curious and found Emil
Pakarklis on YouTube with his lessons. A real eye opener as to what these devices can do. I won’t abandon my D7200 and I don’t do much printing so I can live with both.

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Oct 1, 2019 14:07:01   #
Edia Loc: Central New Jersey
 
The real problem with DSLRs or Mirrorless cameras is that they are updated every few years while cell phones are updated and improved every year. If camera manufacturers updated their cameras more often, they would not recover their development costs. This is because millions of cell phones are sold each year while camera sales are much less. As for photo quality of cell phones vs dedicated cameras, it all depends on the photographer, the subject, the lighting and the post processing. Also, the best camera is the one you have with you when you need to get the shot. Most of us always have a cell phone with us while we only carry our cameras when we know what we are shooting in advance.

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Oct 1, 2019 14:20:38   #
out4life2016 Loc: Bellingham, Washington
 
Low Budget Dave wrote:
Generally speaking, as long as the subject is well lit, moving slowly, and as long as you don't need to throw the background out of focus, a cell phone will work as well, or even better than, a dedicated camera. The reason is that they have huge processors attached that can do color balancing, noise control and image sharpening before you ever see the picture.

(And as the cell phone processors get more powerful, this will only get better.)

In low light, cell phone pictures start to fall apart a little, because they are taking longer exposures, or multiple shots and layering them. This works for pictures of food, but not usually people.

If the subject is moving quickly, the cell phone pictures will also fall apart a little. In good light, it will use a fast shutter speed, but in indoor light, you may be shooting at 1/80 second or lower. This is not fast enough for most indoor lighting.

If you need to blur out the background, then the only way cell phones can do that is to take two separate pictures and stitch them together. This is like teaching a pig to sing. The quality is not very good, but it is still a pretty good trick.
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I use both a Canon 6Dii and a iPhone 10s. Even though my iPhone takes quality photos there is so much more that my canon can control such as shutter speed for longer exposure shots and night time photography. My iPhone can be dropped down to an F8 aperture which is nice for that quick portrait but when blown up to say a 24x36 the canon beats it in quality all day.

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Oct 1, 2019 14:25:34   #
Low Budget Dave
 
chippy65 wrote:
one has to ask if image quality is dependent on processing power why are cell phones seeming to leave traditional cameras behind ?

After all space inside the camera body is not as restricted as the cell phone nor is battery power a limitation. And the cost of a mid range camera is in the same ball park

as the cell phone................Are we being short changed ?


Yes and no.

The Snapdragon 855 in the new Samsung phones has about 5 billion transistors on a 64 bit chip, and is, quite frankly, optimized for gaming. (The new A13 processor that Apple uses has about 8 billion transistors on it, and the portions used for memory, AI, graphics and so on are all different.)

The Bionz X Processor in the new Sony cameras is a version of the old ARM A5 Android processor, which is a 32-bit system that was introduced back in 2011. (It was designed to do the same things as the ARM9 and ARM11, but to do them more slowly, with less heat, and with less power consumption.)

I am not an engineer, but just looking at the chip specs, my guess is that Sony could put much faster chips in their new cameras, but it would jack up the cost of an already expensive camera, and would more than double the heat as well.

The faster chips would add the ability to pre-process your images like cell phones do, but a lot of camera owners prefer the image to look "natural", and to add the tweaks to their own taste. The bigger chips would also give you the ability to make phone calls on your camera, (and to play 'Angry Birds'), but I don't see that being worth an extra $350.

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Oct 1, 2019 14:56:10   #
amkras Loc: NY
 
I have had a full range photo gear and printed wonderful images from all. I have some lovely 11x14 prints from cell phones that you would not be able to distinguish from 'real' camera shots.

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Oct 1, 2019 18:58:07   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
wdross wrote:
I will not buy a cellphone that does not have a Pro selection in its menu. The standard photo section is very good, but one can do a lot more by switching to the Pro mode if they know what they are doing and want to pull the most from their cellphone. Is the cellphone then as good as a stand alone camera in all situations? No. But one is able to improve over some the phone's standard algorithms. And it allows for creativity, like low key and high key shooting, where the phone is going to try and even out the lighting. And just like the ordinary camera, being digital allows one to shoot and change the settings until the shot is as perfect as possible, the subject is gone, or the moment has passed.
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I’ve read that Pro Camera is a good one for iPhones. Don’t know if it works on other brands.

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Oct 1, 2019 19:42:40   #
maranatha
 
Seems next generation not caring about taking photos to show grandchildren or even own children but then again how many of us spent lot of money on our wedding photos to never look at them again !!!

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Oct 1, 2019 23:36:26   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
gvarner wrote:
I’ve read that Pro Camera is a good one for iPhones. Don’t know if it works on other brands.


Samsung has always come with a Pro mode so far. A bit slower to operate than a standard camera with dials. Touch screen is laid out well enough. Has all the standard modes, ISO control, EC, RAW+JPEG capture, etc. One just has to pull it up and use it.

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Oct 2, 2019 07:03:20   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
wdross wrote:
Samsung has always come with a Pro mode so far. A bit slower to operate than a standard camera with dials. Touch screen is laid out well enough. Has all the standard modes, ISO control, EC, RAW+JPEG capture, etc. One just has to pull it up and use it.


HTC does also. We went to a concert Sunday night and no cameras with detachable lenses allowed. My HTC One X in pro mode surprised me.

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Oct 2, 2019 12:18:01   #
RPaul3rd Loc: Arlington VA and Sarasota FL
 
I have a Canon 5d Mark III and a Canon SL2 CMOS, which is lighter and good for overseas travel, and, during a recent trip I shot til I dropped at Petra, Jordan. Wouldn't you know it, my wife took a panorama with her IPhone 8S and that is the one I've enlarged. Yes the IPhone is limited in what it can do but I have found the photos nice and sharp and editable with the in camera software. Not giving up my Canon gear but I also like the IPhone's results.

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