Whatever happened to the most basic lesson? (Page 2): That's why we have VR, IS, etc. Technology changes some things. --...

Bill_de Loc: US

nadelewitz wrote:

First you say it is impossible, then you say you have three parts of your face against the camera. Isn't your right thumb in there somewhere?

Tucking your elbows against your chest is ALSO a part of the "classic way" to hold a camera.

There isn't any argument here. Use whatever kind of holding technique you want. I still say holding a camera out away from your face, so you can view on the rear LCD, lends itself to instability.

That's why we have VR, IS, etc.

Technology changes some things.

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quixdraw wrote:

Only the answer for some, and to a quite
different question.

There was only one question in that post.

Mebbe you were reading on a small screen
whilst driving traffic ?

Quixdraw Loc: x

User ID wrote:

There was only one question in that post.

Mebbe you were reading on a small screen
whilst driving traffic ?

Maybe your reading / logical skills are less than what is commonly expected. Don't have a cell phone, wouldn't give one house room. You can be a photographer or Phoneographer. Devices that do many things most often lack the capability of those designed for a specific purpose.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

nadelewitz wrote:

First you say it is impossible, then you say you have three parts of your face against the camera. Isn't your right thumb in there somewhere?

Tucking your elbows against your chest is ALSO a part of the "classic way" to hold a camera.

There isn't any argument here. Use whatever kind of holding technique you want. I still say holding a camera out away from your face, so you can view on the rear LCD, lends itself to instability.

I said only that it is impossible to put my hands on my face for support, Please reread my post. You may not have any experience with the Canon 5D or 7D professional'prosumer camera lines and the size of their bodies. With my right hand on the grip I would have to stretch my thumb out straight and away from the camera just to touch my face, much less put enough pressure on it to add to any rigidity. That act would also ensure I no longer have a firm grip on the camera, and I would also be unable to use any of the various controls intended for use by my thumb, including back button focusing.

Frankly, I can't imagine how anyone using a high end camera could hold and control it and, at the same time, support it rigidly by placing any part of their hands against their head. Obviously holding the camera away from you to view an LCD is a much less rigid stance, but I was responding to your comments about using the viewfinder.

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nadelewitz wrote:

One of the most important things for
taking pictures is: How to hold a camera!
............ ..... ... ........
Whatever happened to good sense in the
first step in taking a picture? As much as
even the lowest-priced cameras cost,
aren't they bad tools without a viewfinder
(or a tripod)?

C'mawwwwnnnn .....

You already knew the answer is:
"Phones happened".

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

nadelewitz wrote:

First you say it is impossible, then you say you have three parts of your face against the camera. Isn't your right thumb in there somewhere?

Tucking your elbows against your chest is ALSO a part of the "classic way" to hold a camera.

There isn't any argument here. Use whatever kind of holding technique you want. I still say holding a camera out away from your face, so you can view on the rear LCD, lends itself to instability.

Or did you actually mean you use your hands to brace your camera against your face rather than "you brace your hands and camera against your head/face", which is not quite the same thing.

RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA

nadelewitz wrote:

One of the most important things for taking pictur... (show quote)

Everyone else knows they’re as good as the person using them.

pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY

quixdraw wrote:

I suppose, in part, it is what you are accustomed to. Having used viewfinders all my life, I tend to agree with you. In practice, when i had to use a tough camera without a viewfinder on a job, it was clearly inferior to a viewfinder whenever conditions were unfavorable. That said, we may well be in a minority, since many others prefer Live View or Monitor.

I'm with both of you. My camera has both and I only use live view when I'm on a tripod. I want to take crystal clear photographs not snapshots in all cases and not have to crank up the ISO when I'm shooting in low light.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

mwsilvers wrote:

I said only that it is impossible to put my hands ... (show quote)

I think it as pretty clear what I meant. But I guess you’ve got nothing better to do.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

It really depends on the situation. With the Nikons I use the viewfinder, but with my Panasonic I use both. Using the LCD screen is useful if I’m using touchscreen functions.

chippy65 Loc: Cambridge

SuperflyTNT wrote:

It really depends on the situation. With the Nikons I use the viewfinder, but with my Panasonic I use both. Using the LCD screen is useful if I’m using touchscreen functions.

Cannot get on with lcd screens at all.............seems to me that in bright sunlight in is all about "Point and Hope !" rater than point and shoot as you cant see

what you are trying to do on the screen. Seems a bit like re-inventing the wheel............guess what " lets try for a hexagonal version "

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

nadelewitz wrote:

Only the LCD panel. Which you hold at least several inches away from your face.

And I see that as a big problem. Not much steadiness.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

nadelewitz wrote:

One of the most important things for taking pictur... (show quote)

Yes, camera against your head and both elbows against your chest completing the three legs of the tripod. Evidently, two legs are good enough for camera phones and many cheaper point and shoots.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

SuperflyTNT wrote:

I think it as pretty clear what I meant. But I guess you’ve got nothing better to do.

Huh? What are you talking about? This is your first post in this thread and I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to the OP of this thread. How could I, or anyone else know what you "meant"? I hope you are not suggesting that you are the same person at the OP and have two different logins names.

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

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