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Sep 14, 2019 16:20:17   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Kraken wrote:
What infrastructure? trump gave away that money to the rich.


Hey C*****rs, it was Obama that lied about infrastructure, he promised infrastructure as he asked the American people for almost a trillion dollars, he had this big plan, in fact he put Biden in charge of getting it done....

It never happened...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skAOLejB4BA

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Sep 14, 2019 17:05:49   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
There is no question that there is corruption in defense contracts. but this time the additional speding was imperative. Our military status was at pre WW2 standards, and the navy had fewer ships than before WW1. One must also realizt that our manufacturing capabilities are nowhere near WW2 abilities. Upgrading the military was simply a must. With regard to federal waste and gross over-emplyment. There needs to bev a large cutback in the federal buracracy. Some cabinet depts should be cancelled Dept of Education should be gone as education is a state issue.

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Sep 14, 2019 17:22:12   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
boberic wrote:
There is no question that there is corruption in defense contracts. but this time the additional speding was imperative. Our military status was at pre WW2 standards, and the navy had fewer ships than before WW1. One must also realizt that our manufacturing capabilities are nowhere near WW2 abilities. Upgrading the military was simply a must. With regard to federal waste and gross over-emplyment. There needs to bev a large cutback in the federal buracracy. Some cabinet depts should be cancelled Dept of Education should be gone as education is a state issue.
There is no question that there is corruption in d... (show quote)


Nothing in my post suggests that we do not maintain our military--just take self dealing and corruption our of the process. In fact, wasting resources on corruption in defense contracting makes us weaker, not stronger. Under our current system, I believe that the more we spend, the weaker we become.

The Pentagon is the largest bureaucracy in the Federal government. As for the current military vs, WWII levels, we are not in any declared war, let alone an overqhelming global conflict, quite unlike WWII. WWII also required rationing Victory Gardens, etc. See any of that personal sacrifice on the home front today? Also, we don't have nearly as many horses and bayonets as we had during WWII. The discussion should be how our current military meets our current defense needs, not the number of ships and troops.

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Sep 14, 2019 20:59:34   #
Angmo
 
It’s clearly an spending problem. Lowering taxes raises tax income to the bastards.

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Sep 14, 2019 21:00:25   #
Angmo
 
Bazbo wrote:
Nothing in my post suggests that we do not maintain our military--just take self dealing and corruption our of the process. In fact, wasting resources on corruption in defense contracting makes us weaker, not stronger. Under our current system, I believe that the more we spend, the weaker we become.

The Pentagon is the largest bureaucracy in the Federal government. As for the current military vs, WWII levels, we are not in any declared war, let alone an overqhelming global conflict, quite unlike WWII. WWII also required rationing Victory Gardens, etc. See any of that personal sacrifice on the home front today? Also, we don't have nearly as many horses and bayonets as we had during WWII. The discussion should be how our current military meets our current defense needs, not the number of ships and troops.
Nothing in my post suggests that we do not maintai... (show quote)


We are at war with the someone’s who did something. It’s over some man made issue of sorts. The airplanes pointed to some buildings.

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Sep 14, 2019 21:31:04   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Bazbo wrote:
Nothing in my post suggests that we do not maintain our military--just take self dealing and corruption our of the process. In fact, wasting resources on corruption in defense contracting makes us weaker, not stronger. Under our current system, I believe that the more we spend, the weaker we become.

The Pentagon is the largest bureaucracy in the Federal government. As for the current military vs, WWII levels, we are not in any declared war, let alone an overqhelming global conflict, quite unlike WWII. WWII also required rationing Victory Gardens, etc. See any of that personal sacrifice on the home front today? Also, we don't have nearly as many horses and bayonets as we had during WWII. The discussion should be how our current military meets our current defense needs, not the number of ships and troops.
Nothing in my post suggests that we do not maintai... (show quote)


The military meets our current needs NOW. But to not be ready for large cinflicts is sticking our heads in the sand. Other than nuclear weapons, at the start of Trump's presidency we were incapable of fighting a large scale conflict. We weren't in a declared war when Pearl Harbor was attacked. And we won the war because wev out produced our enemies. That kind of manufacturing capability is gone.

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Sep 14, 2019 23:00:01   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
boberic wrote:
The military meets our current needs NOW. But to not be ready for large cinflicts is sticking our heads in the sand. Other than nuclear weapons, at the start of Trump's presidency we were incapable of fighting a large scale conflict. We weren't in a declared war when Pearl Harbor was attacked. And we won the war because wev out produced our enemies. That kind of manufacturing capability is gone.


I did not say a word about sticking heads in the sand or cutting the military. Are you arguing in favor of corruption? You think corruption makes us strong? We have no way of assessing our actual needs until be get rid of the corruption and self-dealing.

Whether we could fight a large scale war at the beginning of Trump's administration is a matter of opinion--some well informed and some, like yours, not so much. I did not say a word about trump until now because it is bipartisan corruption.

But you seem to want to turn it into fawning over Trump now like a true cultist. So tell me, where is the data that Trump is actually bringing manufacturing back?

Data--not opinions.

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Sep 14, 2019 23:06:15   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Angmo wrote:
We are at war with the someone’s who did something. It’s over some man made issue of sorts. The airplanes pointed to some buildings.


We are not at war until Congress says so. Read the Constitution that you claim you so dearly love. The War Powers Resolution that launched us into Afghanistan did not contemplate we would still we there after 18 years with no end in sight.

You support tax increase to pay for our continued involvement? Or are you a pumper sticker patriot?

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Sep 14, 2019 23:37:24   #
Angmo
 
Bazbo wrote:
We are not at war until Congress says so. Read the Constitution that you claim you so dearly love. The War Powers Resolution that launched us into Afghanistan did not contemplate we would still we there after 18 years with no end in sight.

You support tax increase to pay for our continued involvement? Or are you a pumper sticker patriot?


You really don’t get this war do yah.

What a sad sack you are.

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Sep 15, 2019 00:58:53   #
btbg
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"On September 8, 2017, Trump signed a bill increasing the debt ceiling. Later that day, the debt exceeded $20 trillion for the first time in U.S. history. On February 9, 2018, Trump signed a bill suspending the debt ceiling until March 1, 2019. It was $22 trillion. In just two years,Trump has overseen the fastest dollar increase in the debt of any president.

Trump's Fiscal Year 2020 budget projects the debt would increase $5 trillion during his first term. That's as much as Obama added while fighting a recession. Trump has not fulfilled his campaign promise to cut the debt. Instead, he's done the opposite." Kimberly Amadeo

Time to be real and stop excusing Trump.
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You are correct about Trump and spending. The problem is that you wish to see Trump out of office and the Democratic candidates all support programs that spend far more money than Trump.

We need to rein in our spending. Trump is not doing that. However, replacing him with one of the 10 Democrats that were on the stage this week will not lower spending. It will raise it at an even faster rate.

I get that you don't like Trump, but you really need to consider the consequences of replacing him with a Dem. It would be catastrophic.

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Sep 15, 2019 01:06:31   #
btbg
 
Bazbo wrote:
Both sides have their hands in the cookie jar. It is far easier to cut taxes and increase spending than it is to raise taxes and cut spending. Therefore, we are all responsible in that we will punish politicians who do the latter and re-elect politicians who do the former.

It is interesting and oh so predictable that the right wingers here seem to think that social entitlements are the only problem (side note--if you have paid into SS your entire working life then you are indeed "entitled" to benefits promised. The right wing has managed to make entitlement a pejorative as in"give away" or "free stuff". Let's return "entitlement" to its actual meaning.).

I rarely see right wingers who will to talk about the defense budget whose
procurement process is arguably the most corrupt in all of government. There is a reason that the large defense contractors have production facilities in key congressional districts all over the country. This is how the second largest air force on the planet is the US Navy and the Pentagon has defense projects pushed on them that they neither want nor need.

Before we start talking about cutting SS (which does not contribute to the deficit, BTW) lets try two ideas that I have mentioned here before:

1. Any Congress Critter is forced to recuse him/herself from v****g on any defense appropriations bill that would benefit his/her own district. This would go a long way towards a rational analysis of what our defense needs actually are instead of a Congress Critter's self interest. It would also lead to more rational decision making by the defense contractors placing facilities where they economically make sense rather than to grease the wheels.

2. Any foreign military adventure comes with an automatic tax increase to pay for it. This would have stopped W's Iraq war in its tracks. Easy to be pro-war when it comes with a tax cut, right? That way, everyone in the country is investment in the war, even if it s as trivial as paying a few more bucks in taxes to actually "support the troops" instead of bumper stickers. This produces, and will always produce "rich man's war-poor man's fight". No more wars on the credit card affecting only the troops and their families.

Do these simple things and then discuss the social safety net.
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Number one will not work. We already have politicians that do the I will scratch your back if you scratch mine routine. All that would happen is that I recuse myself from v****g on a measure that brings money to my district, but I v**e to support the money going to your district and you v**e to support the money going to mine. If you think it through, you know that is exactly what the politicians in both parties would do.

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Sep 15, 2019 08:42:42   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Which congress spent all the monies?? Oh, the previous Republican-controlled congress... yep thought so.

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Sep 15, 2019 08:50:21   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
There is no doubt that corruption is endemic to both sides, and it will continue, when so much money is involved. There needs to be many restrictions, but they will continue, because politicians know just how to work thevsystem to their own selfish desires. But more importantly the laws needed to change the system must be passed by the same congressmen that milk the system. The chance of that happening are less than O.

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Sep 15, 2019 08:54:54   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
The Republicans party was once the party of fiscal responsibility. Under Trump, they no longer care.
They should get over their insane Trump loyalty, before the damage is irreparable.


The "...no longer care..." started with Bush. Given what that last congress did and Bush approved almost caused me to change my v***r r**********n to not affiliated.

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Sep 15, 2019 08:59:28   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"On September 8, 2017, Trump signed a bill increasing the debt ceiling. Later that day, the debt exceeded $20 trillion for the first time in U.S. history. On February 9, 2018, Trump signed a bill suspending the debt ceiling until March 1, 2019. It was $22 trillion. In just two years,Trump has overseen the fastest dollar increase in the debt of any president.

Trump's Fiscal Year 2020 budget projects the debt would increase $5 trillion during his first term. That's as much as Obama added while fighting a recession. Trump has not fulfilled his campaign promise to cut the debt. Instead, he's done the opposite." Kimberly Amadeo

Time to be real and stop excusing Trump.
"On September 8, 2017, Trump signed a bill in... (show quote)


Where do the bills Trump signs come from?

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