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Sep 13, 2019 14:31:21   #
Doc Barry Loc: Huntsville, Alabama USA
 
Bultaco wrote:
I'd consider a 150/600 refurb. I shoot with a Tamron 150/600 and love it.


But get the G2 version, NOT the G1.

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Sep 13, 2019 15:50:32   #
Annie Loyd
 
Doc Barry wrote:
But get the G2 version, NOT the G1.
will note that help.

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Sep 13, 2019 16:13:38   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Annie Loyd wrote:
I need a 600mm for birds....wondering if a teleconverter is a cheaper answer.
Nikon D7500 with Nikkor 28/300 lens


The cheapest answer is to get closer and maximize your native image quality and CROP and use well applied pixel enlargement software if needed .
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Sep 13, 2019 17:28:59   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Annie Loyd wrote:
Thank you so much for all your information...I appreciate your time on this.


There are probably a few ways to go on this issue, only you will know what is best for your situation. You will get lots of input, weigh it out for your situation and go where it feels comfortable. I'm not recommending this lens for you, but was looking at it myself as a possible low cost venture into a big zoom, in this case it is a 50-500 Sigma, an older lens. It is on Ebay....it will give you an idea of what may be available...I think it is an OS version as well. 500mm may be less than you are looking for. https://www.ebay.com/itm/SIGMA-DG-50-500-F-4-5-6-3-APO-LENS-NIKON-MOUNT-USED-IN-GOOD-CONDITION/202773262332?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I think it is at a little over $227.00 at this point. I have nothing to do with the shop that is selling it, no stake.

At any rate, good luck in your venture.

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Sep 13, 2019 18:06:16   #
Annie Loyd
 
olemikey wrote:
There are probably a few ways to go on this issue, only you will know what is best for your situation. You will get lots of input, weigh it out for your situation and go where it feels comfortable. I'm not recommending this lens for you, but was looking at it myself as a possible low cost venture into a big zoom, in this case it is a 50-500 Sigma, an older lens. It is on Ebay....it will give you an idea of what may be available...I think it is an OS version as well. 500mm may be less than you are looking for. https://www.ebay.com/itm/SIGMA-DG-50-500-F-4-5-6-3-APO-LENS-NIKON-MOUNT-USED-IN-GOOD-CONDITION/202773262332?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I think it is at a little over $227.00 at this point. I have nothing to do with the shop that is selling it, no stake.

At any rate, good luck in your venture.
There are probably a few ways to go on this issue,... (show quote)

Looks pretty...I talked to BEH about a lens similar today...he told me the older ones work a little slower and for birds the one I was looking at would be too slow..

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Sep 13, 2019 18:20:05   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Annie Loyd wrote:
Looks pretty...I talked to BEH about a lens similar today...he told me the older ones work a little slower and for birds the one I was looking at would be too slow..


It would be a little slower than the newest crop, BIF would be a bit tougher, OS would counter that somewhat, by a couple stops anyway.

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Sep 13, 2019 18:51:14   #
Annie Loyd
 
olemikey wrote:
It would be a little slower than the newest crop, BIF would be a bit tougher, OS would counter that somewhat, by a couple stops anyway.


Maybe I’ll rethink the older ones then..Sigmas were in the $200. Range.

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Sep 13, 2019 19:44:26   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Annie Loyd wrote:
Maybe I’ll rethink the older ones then..Sigmas were in the $200. Range.


None of the third party lenses will focus as good as your Nikkor .....Have you done a focus calibration on it ??
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Sep 13, 2019 20:39:30   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Beside my Nikkors (70-300 AFP VR, 70-300 AF-S VR, 18-300 AF-S VR, among others, several Sigma 400 older models, Tokina 80-400, Tamron 200-400, 800 mirror) I have a 170-500 Sigma and it does a nice job on "relaxed" birds (playing in the trees, pecking on the ground, posing, etc.) where it is tough to use is BIF, no OS, so fast shutter in better light is a must. On a tripod, with a trigger, and fast shutter it takes very nice bird pics, hand held is do-able, but a challenge.

I do want a 150-600 with VC or OS, but I too need to save up my pennies, or sell/trade some of my gear. The 50-500 I mentioned went for $560, which seems a bit pricey, but it did have OS, where my 170-500 does not. Of course, I didn't pay anywhere near that when I bought it, even though it looks and acts brand new.

I get some great shots with the old Vivitar mirror on my Sony A58 (it has in-body stabilization, and is a game changer for that lens) and I can go to 1600mm with the Clear Image Zoom (variable crop to 2X) in JPEG (unlike the Nikons, which do the additional 1.3X in RAW). It works on my Nikons, but requires a very steady hand, or tripod and trigger, fast shutter, since there is no image stabilization. I wouldn't slap a TC on any of the lenses I have, as the light loss only makes things worse, I'd rather do a crop.

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Sep 14, 2019 05:10:00   #
Tom Shelburne Loc: Roaring Gap NC
 
I used a Kenko 1.4 converter on one safari trip last week and was disappointed with clarity
Went back to my 70-300 and liked these pictures much better without converter - newbie though

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Sep 15, 2019 07:47:12   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
Gene51 wrote:
No.

The cheapest way to get to 600 is to get a Tamron 150-600 G2. The 28-300 is not sharp enough at 300mm, and adding a 2X TC will give you no AF, a very dark viewfinder at F11, and pretty crappy image quality. The Tamron will work beautifully.



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Sep 15, 2019 07:55:24   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Bultaco wrote:


The cheapest way to get a good focusing, good IQ through out the zoom range 600mm is to buy the Nikon 200-500 5.6 lens.

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Sep 17, 2019 06:39:03   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
olemikey wrote:
Another solution experiment (that is better than a TC, IMHO) is to set your "Image Area" in the shooting menu to 1.3X. It is a crop, and gives an image more from the center of the lens (generally the sharper part of the lens), no light loss/f-stop change, no additional glass. On the D7100 and D7200 it drops the megapixel count from 24 to 15, but I feel it makes up for it due to no light loss/F-stop increase, and no additional glass. I also use this setting to eliminate vignette associated with some mirror and other lenses. It puts the image in the sharpest part of the lens....give it a try. The 28/300 acts like a 450 FOV on a crop sensor camera, the 1.3X would make it appear to be approx. 585mm FOV.

Is that lens sharp enough to be usable that way, you can answer the question yourself with a simple test. If it works for now, good, if not, it didn't cost anything, so you can put your dollars towards a lens that will do what you are looking for. If not interested in this, ignore the post and move on!!

Good luck in your quest.
Another solution experiment (that is better than a... (show quote)


Reducing the image area to 1.3X is no different than cropping in post processing. The only advantage to in camera cropping is that you can fit more images on a memory card.

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Sep 17, 2019 07:10:49   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
imagemeister wrote:
The cheapest answer is to get closer and maximize your native image quality and CROP and use well applied pixel enlargement software if needed .
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Do you have an example of using "pixel enlarging software" vs modest resizing in a photo editor? The reason I am asking is that I know of no software that "enlarges" pixels. The resizing software I am familiar with "adds" pixels, interpolating the content of the new pixels from the surrounding ones. I used to use Genuine Fractals, but have found that when resampling up to about 50%, there is no visible difference between doing it in Photoshop, Lightroom, Capture One, etc and using the current iteration of Genuine Fractals in On1 Raw software - Perfect Resize. The only thing I have found is that when resizing an image in software other that resizing software, you have to hit the sharpening, contrast/micro-contrast, (frequency option if it available), noise reduction, etc to get the most out of an image. Resizing software seems to get you there a little faster. But it doesn't add detail, it only preserves what is already there.

I may be an old dog, but I am always eager to learn any new tricks that can help make me a better photographer.

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Sep 17, 2019 10:07:53   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
billnikon wrote:
The cheapest way to get a good focusing, good IQ through out the zoom range 600mm is to buy the Nikon 200-500 5.6 lens.


Have you tried the Tammy? I used a friends 200/500 for a month, I'll stick with my Tammy, it's weather sealed with 100mm more reach. Check "Best of the Tetons" Mike has both and uses the Tammy.

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