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Sep 9, 2019 23:13:55   #
rb61 Loc: Maple Grove, MN
 
When I select edit/resize, the numbers seem to be 3x my sensor's file size (16MP). Is it adding r+g+b?
If so, how is this value useful?
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Sep 10, 2019 07:06:46   #
bleirer
 
That is interesting. You do have resample unchecked so that could mean something. Found this article but it doesn't really explain your question. https://helpx.adobe.com/cy_en/photoshop/using/image-size-resolution.html

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Sep 10, 2019 10:21:45   #
SonyA580 Loc: FL in the winter & MN in the summer
 
This article may help you understand what you are seeing: https://www.photoshopessentials.com/essentials/image-resolution/. From what I can gather, the "Pixel Dimensions" is the file size with EXIF data, etc., added in. I see that if I go from my RAW processor to Photoshop as a .tiff I will get a MUCH larger file than if I go with a .jpg. The numbers are far greater than the megapixel rating of your camera's sensor.

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Sep 10, 2019 12:25:52   #
rb61 Loc: Maple Grove, MN
 
bleirer wrote:
That is interesting. You do have resample unchecked so that could mean something. Found this article but it doesn't really explain your question. https://helpx.adobe.com/cy_en/photoshop/using/image-size-resolution.html



Thanks for responding. I was somewhat surprised that after 60 views, no one had an answer. Upon looking at my original post, I fear that I may not have explained the situation clearly.

The 40Mp file size appears on the resize window and on the bottom left of the image window. The yellow highlighting was done by Adobe and is not part of my question other than when the height and width numbers are calculated the result is approximately 16Mp (sensor capability).

I experimented with your observation, but no matter what combination of selected boxes, there was no change.

Thanks again

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Sep 10, 2019 12:27:05   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
rb61 wrote:
When I select edit/resize, the numbers seem to be 3x my sensor's file size (16MP). Is it adding r+g+b?
If so, how is this value useful?
Thanks

It's about 3x your sensor's file size because your resolution is set to 350 pixels/inch.

Files that come off of my Canon 760D arrive in Photoshop at 72 pixels/inch at 6000 x 4000. For printing, I increase that to 100 pixels/inch. The file size goes up by 100/72. For book printing, I increase to 300 pixels/inch. The file size goes up by 300/72.

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Sep 10, 2019 15:38:17   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
rb61 wrote:
Thanks for responding. I was somewhat surprised that after 60 views, no one had an answer. Upon looking at my original post, I fear that I may not have explained the situation clearly.

The 40Mp file size appears on the resize window and on the bottom left of the image window. The yellow highlighting was done by Adobe and is not part of my question other than when the height and width numbers are calculated the result is approximately 16Mp (sensor capability).

I experimented with your observation, but no matter what combination of selected boxes, there was no change.

Thanks again
Thanks for responding. I was somewhat surprised th... (show quote)


You’re conflating megapixels and megabytes. Two different things. MP is how many pixels make up an image. Megabytes is how much space it takes to store the image, which depends on other factors along with the number of pixels.

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Sep 10, 2019 17:18:55   #
bleirer
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
You’re conflating megapixels and megabytes. Two different things. MP is how many pixels make up an image. Megabytes is how much space it takes to store the image, which depends on other factors along with the number of pixels.


That seems right, it's confusing that they call it pixel dimensions in the box though.

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Sep 10, 2019 17:46:21   #
rb61 Loc: Maple Grove, MN
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
You’re conflating megapixels and megabytes. Two different things. MP is how many pixels make up an image. Megabytes is how much space it takes to store the image, which depends on other factors along with the number of pixels.


Thank you. I am humbled. I used to know better way back when my brain was more flexible.

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Sep 10, 2019 19:55:22   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
rb61 wrote:
When I select edit/resize, the numbers seem to be 3x my sensor's file size (16MP). Is it adding r+g+b?
If so, how is this value useful?
Thanks


The screen you're showing is print (image) size. At 350 pixels per inch it will make your print that size in inches( since you have inches selected). This has nothing to do with file size on a disc. If you change the 350 to 300 then the 45 will drop down, that's pixels-per-inch or megapixels in the print.

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Sep 11, 2019 02:54:07   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
rb61 wrote:
When I select edit/resize, the numbers seem to be 3x my sensor's file size (16MP). Is it adding r+g+b?
If so, how is this value useful?
Thanks


I have not read thru the answers all yet to see if any make sense or are correct. But, right off Computer files sizes are measured in bytes, likely megabytes for files coming from a digital camera. For some reason Adobe has always been fast and loose with how they use the terms MB, MP, especially ppi, and dpi. Look at your files with Windows or Mac, do they seem odd or ok then from before to after? I've always found that an open file in Ps seems much larger than what the computer's OS says it really is. Also remember about bit depth. Your camera is likely 14-bit RAW. But think, say for a 8-bit JPG that is actually as RGB color 8x8x8. And for say your working 16-bit PSD or TIF file 16x16x16 a lot of data per pixel bytes. Probably not the best explanation. But something to consider when you frame your question. Similarly and possibly more closely related in my own observation that the RAW files from my 14MP are approximately 18MB in size from the camera. But this can also be algorithm and camera specific. My same brand but newer camera has 16MP capabilities yet is more efficient and makes 16MB files. My yet newer 24MP makes 28MB files. The file MB very actually for every image. It depends on what is there. Any help?

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Sep 11, 2019 06:07:26   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
russelray wrote:
It's about 3x your sensor's file size because your resolution is set to 350 pixels/inch.

Files that come off of my Canon 760D arrive in Photoshop at 72 pixels/inch at 6000 x 4000. For printing, I increase that to 100 pixels/inch. The file size goes up by 100/72. For book printing, I increase to 300 pixels/inch. The file size goes up by 300/72.


What you are saying about your camera and computer is correct. My Pentax Raw files are also 72 pixels/inch but I never work with that as I have ACR set to make 16-bit files at 300ppi. Not sure if that totally explains the OP'ers Q as he does seem to be confusing MP with MB as well. And Adobe themselves can't seem to keep ppi and bpi straight. No wonder people get confused!

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Sep 11, 2019 09:30:33   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
frankraney wrote:
The screen you're showing is print (image) size. At 350 pixels per inch it will make your print that size in inches( since you have inches selected). This has nothing to do with file size on a disc. If you change the 350 to 300 then the 45 will drop down, that's pixels-per-inch or megapixels in the print.


Wrong. The size of the file is the size of the file. If you change the pixels per inch it will change the print size accordingly, same way that if you change the print size it will change the pixels per inch. The total number of pixels does not change. When you send the data to print you're sending a file and that is the file size.

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Sep 11, 2019 10:28:52   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Wrong. The size of the file is the size of the file. If you change the pixels per inch it will change the print size accordingly, same way that if you change the print size it will change the pixels per inch. The total number of pixels does not change. When you send the data to print you're sending a file and that is the file size.


Excuse me, but he showed the print screen, and the measurements in that window are for the print size not file size. Go back and look at his question with that screen and then read my answer again you basically said the same thing I did, I'm not wrong.

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Sep 11, 2019 12:47:37   #
bleirer
 
frankraney wrote:
Excuse me, but he showed the print screen, and the measurements in that window are for the print size not file size. Go back and look at his question with that screen and then read my answer again you basically said the same thing I did, I'm not wrong.


The OP said it was the image size screen under the edit menu in the original post.

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Sep 11, 2019 14:57:40   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
frankraney wrote:
Excuse me, but he showed the print screen, and the measurements in that window are for the print size not file size. Go back and look at his question with that screen and then read my answer again you basically said the same thing I did, I'm not wrong.


He was talking about the size under Pixel Dimensions. That has nothing to do with the document dimensions. The print dimensions have nothing to do with file size.

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