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Sep 5, 2019 13:15:27   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Both Canon and Nikon are losing greater camera market share, regardless of whether that market is shrinking or not. They have only themselves to blame - for resting on their laurels more than a decade ago, and ignoring mirrorless technology, or rather EVF technology, when everyone else, including the man-in-the street, saw as being the way forward.

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Sep 5, 2019 13:45:54   #
philo Loc: philo, ca
 
I think that the main thing Canon has to do is cut back on the number of models they produce. I can't believe the different number of printer models they sell.
KISS it simple and make it the best you can.

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Sep 5, 2019 14:35:16   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Yes, poor Trump is having enough of problems with his dementia lately. Not knowing where Alabama is; problems reading faked maps; that Poland was crushed by his pals Nazi Germany near the beginning of WWII; what is causing the falling down? The unspoken condition like Reagan's. Etc., etc., ...

... lets hope tRump keeps his yap shout about the two U.S. A-bombs dropped on Japan or the USS Arizona at the bottom of Pearl Harbor. He'll find a way to insult both Japan and the U.S. Navy with some idiotic inaccurate comment.

Sorry, but someone else started this and it touched a sore button.
Yes, poor Trump is having enough of problems with ... (show quote)



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Sep 5, 2019 14:36:51   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
tankdonovan wrote:
"exacerbated by worsening trade relations between the US and China"
wonder who caused that?


Ahhhh, politics again... Trade imbalance between China and the US has been out of proportion for several presidents. Sort of a combined affair of a lack of courage mixed with both the Republican and Democratic parties fear of upsetting the "sleeping" giant perhaps.

Cheers!

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Sep 5, 2019 14:37:55   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
henryp wrote:
So glad we've nipped that corpulent prattling in the proverbial bud. :-)




You greatly underestimate the capacity of people to go off on personal crusades over just about anything.

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Sep 5, 2019 14:43:58   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Well it was a quote from the article and Trump has certainly been at the center of our trade problems. If you want to be an apologist for the most crooked and incompetent president in history, have at it.


As I see it the administrations of the past (both parties) made a lot of deals on trade that gave other nations an advantage over the US in order to "be friends" with them.

Donald Trump as a businessman is just using what is available to him as president to get those deals redone to level the playing field.

The anti-Trump types use anything he does to try and score points.
The anti-Obama types did the same.
The anti- G W Bush types did the same thing.
etc etc etc

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Sep 5, 2019 14:45:34   #
jdedmonds
 
plural of it is its, not it's. It's = it is.

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Sep 5, 2019 14:58:44   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
JDG3 wrote:
I guess I read a little something different into this article. While no actual numbers are given, I suspect that photography (casual, hobby and pro) is only minor part of Canon's overall business. Remember Canon also builds copiers, printers and many other high end optical based equipment which makes up the largest part of their business. I believe these divisions are doing well.

The article also talks about how automation has decreased the costs and need for labor in many factories all over the world. As a recently retired Manufacturing Engineer, I can attest to that. Over my 30+ year career I saw our plant decrease its work force by almost 75% with automation. Output, quality and reliability went up and labor costs went down. Many articles have been written about the fact that it is automation that eliminates jobs NOT immigration and cheap labor.

I think Canon itself is well positioned for the future and will be fine. However, the consumer or pro-consumer camera business may be in for rough times. I could easily see them re-positioning their resources to more profitable areas. The cell phone has done that more than anything else. But someone else may step in and provide something even better for photographers.
I guess I read a little something different into t... (show quote)


Indeed... This article specifies "camera sales" dropping from 10 M to 6 M, however, I don't think for a moment Canon is heading into oblivion... they are much to agile to fall prey to that...

Cheers!

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Sep 5, 2019 15:00:35   #
Bill P
 
For those of you that think the sky is falling, read this quote from Mike Johnson's blog today:

" Canon's ILC sales can shrink to 50% of peak and it will still be selling far more cameras and lenses than it was in 1989."

Don't think they were unprofitable in 1989.

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Sep 5, 2019 15:06:03   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
henryp wrote:
So glad we've nipped that corpulent prattling in the proverbial bud. :-)



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Sep 5, 2019 15:06:41   #
pego101
 
it's not so.

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Sep 5, 2019 15:08:25   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Trying to follow this. Are you talking about market share as you say in your first line (Canon market share is up around 4 points) or the total market (which fell by a large 20ish%)? They are two separate issues.


Refer to the article for clarification please dsmeltz.

Cheers

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Sep 5, 2019 15:09:55   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
robertjerl wrote:


You greatly underestimate the capacity of people to go off on personal crusades over just about anything.



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Sep 5, 2019 15:10:05   #
ZenCam
 
Cell phone cameras are killing camera sales. I know a photographer that has given up their professional work because folks with cell phones would post pictures of the event before my photographer friend could edit and post them! I'm a dinosaur, if I don't want to carry my big camera stuff around I will at least use a compact digital camera. The only way to keep camera sales going is to buy them! Keep your cell phone in your glove box, and use your REAL camera!

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Sep 5, 2019 15:14:40   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
jdedmonds wrote:
plural of it is its, not it's. It's = it is.


My understanding of the plural if "it" is as explained here:

"It depends on the case: in the nominative case, it is they, in the accusative them, and in the genitive their. Here are some examples dealing with a broken pencil or some broken pencils. The first sentence in each pair is in the singular and the second in the plural.

Nominative: It is on the floor. They are on the floor.

Accusative: Can you see it? Can you see them?

Genitive: Its point is missing. Their points are missing."

Thoughts?

Cheers!

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