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Aug 29, 2019 10:39:36   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
amfoto1 wrote:
a) Nikon AF-P DX 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G...

Small, light, inexpensive. Somewhat plasicky and AF-P lenses aren't compatible with all Nikon cameras, but are fine with a D3500. Surprisingly good image quality. Slow f/4.5-5.6 aperture. But it has VR (image stabilization). Get this lens and go have fun using it!

b) Nikon AF-S DX 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5G

A good lens, but ridiculously expensive and not really any better than some much less expensive options.

c) Tamron 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5 Di II VC HLD

Not very familiar with it other than on paper. The earlier version (without VC image stabilization) image quality didn't impress me very much.

d) Sigma 8-16mm F4.5-5.6 DC HSM AF

The widest non-fisheye lens available. Heavy wide angle distortions. Protruding front element makes it impossible to fit standard filters. Pretty expensive, but it goes wider than any other lens, aside from a fisheye.

e) Tokina AT-X PRO DX-II 11-16mm f/2.8

Yeah, it's pretty sharp. But the Nikon AF-P 10-20mm is just as sharp. This Tokina was the sharpest ultrawide in it's day, but that was a few years ago. And, unfortunately, it's also very prone to flare issues. The first version in Nikon F-mount is motorless, so would not be able to autofocus on D3500... but this II is fine in that respect. Quite well made, but uses Tokina's somewhat odd "focus clutch" mechanism to shift from manual focus to auto focus. Fairly large and heavy, super narrow range of focal lengths.. those are the trade-offs to get f/2.8! (See below.)

f) Tokina AT-X 11-20mm f/2.8 PRO DX

Updated version of "e)", has largely solved the flare and limited focal length range issues. Also only one version, which has a built-in focusing motor so is able to AF on all Nikon cameras. But now it's bigger and heavier... 82mm filters (all the others above use 77mm, except the 8-16mm which can't use standard filters and the Nikkor AF-P 10-20mm which uses 67mm).

Do you really "need" f/2.8 on an ultrawide? If you're shooting landscapes and architecture and other sedentary subjects, very probably not. In fact, you will very likely typically be stopping down to a middle or smaller aperture for greater depth of field, not using f/2.8 much or at all. If you are out shooting astrophotography or aurora borealis at night, the f/2.8 might make for a helpfully brighter viewfinder. Sports shooters and photojournalists also may need f/2.8. But landscape shooters probably don't. For a lens to have a larger aperture means other limitations... larger size and greater weight, less focal length range in a zoom, higher price. And often there's some compromise in image quality, especially at the largest apertures.... Possibly less sharpness in the corners and edges of images and/or more chromatic aberration. It's not uncommon for "slower" ultrawide lenses to be better corrected and sharper from corner to corner. Do a lot of careful study and comparison... and ask yourself if you really "need" f/2.8 for what you'll be shooting (a tripod may be a better choice)!
a) Nikon AF-P DX 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G... br br Smal... (show quote)


Do you really "need" VR on a super wide?

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Aug 29, 2019 15:31:08   #
ClarkJohnson Loc: Fort Myers, FL and Cohasset, MA
 
Generally, stating with Nikon is great advice. But the Tokina 11-16 has been recognized as one of the best wide zooms available, even by some Nikon fan boys. However, the Nikon 10-20 is light, good, and inexpensive. Good luck!

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Aug 29, 2019 16:51:54   #
bellgamin Loc: Ewa Beach, Hawaii
 
I rolled the dice and got into an EBAY auction on a used Tokina 11-16, "like new" condition, from a 100%-positive seller. I won for $280 +$20 S&H. I think I was able to win at a fairly decent price because 2 other auctions for Tokina 11-16's ended at nearly the same time.

I probably should have saved money by going for the Nikon 10-20 which would have been plenty good enough for a duffer like myself, but the Tokina's f2.8 at all focal lengths sucked me in. I'm guessing that lens will stay in my kit for a year at most. It is likely to end up with my granddaughter in due time -- she is greatly beloved & is a much better photographer than I am.

Thanks to all for your excellent comments & suggestions.

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Aug 29, 2019 19:24:30   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
bellgamin wrote:
I rolled the dice and got into an EBAY auction on a used Tokina 11-16, "like new" condition, from a 100%-positive seller. I won for $280 +$20 S&H. I think I was able to win at a fairly decent price because 2 other auctions for Tokina 11-16's ended at nearly the same time.

I probably should have saved money by going for the Nikon 10-20 which would have been plenty good enough for a duffer like myself, but the Tokina's f2.8 at all focal lengths sucked me in. I'm guessing that lens will stay in my kit for a year at most. It is likely to end up with my granddaughter in due time -- she is greatly beloved & is a much better photographer than I am.

Thanks to all for your excellent comments & suggestions.
I rolled the dice and got into an EBAY auction on ... (show quote)


You lucked out with a great lens for a great price. You can almost use it for a hammer it's built so well. The f2.8 is great. The forward/backwards movement of the manual/auto focus ring is easy to get used to. Keep the sun out of the frame and don't worry about flare. You did good!

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Aug 30, 2019 10:34:23   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
nervous2 wrote:
I have the Nikon 10-24 and love it. I probably do not use it enough to justify the expenditure, but, hey, you only live once.


Good point. This is a lens that will not be used a lot....which brings in the question of cost per use. This is one reason to recommend the new Tamron 10-24. The second is its wider zoom range. While some of the lenses mentioned are 10-16 or 10-20, when shooting landscape, I most often found myself using the 24mm end of my lens. Two big considerations.

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Aug 30, 2019 10:38:47   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
SteveR wrote:
Good point. This is a lens that will not be used a lot....which brings in the question of cost per use. This is one reason to recommend the new Tamron 10-24. The second is its wider zoom range. While some of the lenses mentioned are 10-16 or 10-20, when shooting landscape, I most often found myself using the 24mm end of my lens. Two big considerations.

I usually use my Sigma 10-20mm near the wide end. If something like 18-24 were even a possibility, I would try my 18-135mm first, as I go UWA only when it is truly called for.

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Aug 30, 2019 11:01:46   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Of your list, the Nikon AF-S DX 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5G or the Tamron 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5 Di II VC HLD
Tamron's are truly excellent lenses right now. I have never had good results with Tokina products.

Why don't you rent them from Lensrentals or Borrow Lenses for a week and try them out?


Rent, if 1) you can do your testing in one week and 2) you have an extra $100 for the two lens rental.

Or buy one or both of the lenses from Adorama or B&H, try them for a few weeks and return the one that does not work for a full refund under the very nice return policies the two companies have.

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Aug 30, 2019 16:27:32   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
rehess wrote:
I usually use my Sigma 10-20mm near the wide end. If something like 18-24 were even a possibility, I would try my 18-135mm first, as I go UWA only when it is truly called for.


True, but the 10-24 also offers wider possibilities than 18. Combined with my 28-300 on my original D7000, these two lenses were really all the kit I needed.

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Sep 1, 2019 18:10:23   #
bellgamin Loc: Ewa Beach, Hawaii
 
Retired CPO wrote:
You lucked out with a great lens for a great price. You can almost use it for a hammer it's built so well. The f2.8 is great. The forward/backwards movement of the manual/auto focus ring is easy to get used to. Keep the sun out of the frame and don't worry about flare. You did good!
My Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 arrived yesterday. It came in its original box with original packing, leaflet, filter, lens hood. It is in absolutely pristine condition -- can't tell it from a brand new one. I did a couple hours of shoots with it, often stretching its limits. Bee-yoo-ti-ful!

A "used" lens in this like-new condition must have a story behind it... possibly a sad story. Someone bought it & died, or deserted the hobby after a brief try, or deserted the family and left stuff behind. There might be a happy story behind this lens-that-got-orphaned, but probably not. Well, it's "home" now and greatly beloved -- by me & by several of my family members with Nikons, all waiting to get their hands on it. Color me happy. :)

Thanks to all for your help & encouragement.

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