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Aug 9, 2019 14:51:19   #
mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area
 
Najataagihe wrote:
In that light, the only assault WEAPON is a human mind.

Everything else is just a tool.


(Which brings us back to properly raising our children.)


And now you are through with your assault weapon deflection. When we take away the guns we want, you will not be asked.



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Aug 9, 2019 15:37:11   #
Angmo
 
Najataagihe wrote:
Yes and yes.

There ARE match-grade 62-grain bullets used for long range, depending on the twist rate in the barrel, but if you want to really reach out and touch someone with a 5.56 NATO, you are going to need a 72-grain bullet.

The 90-grain bullets are more for hunting, but they have a maximum effective range further than 300 meters.


The "300-meter maximum effective range" is what confuses most folks, when it comes to defining an assault rifle.





Yes and yes. br br There ARE match-grade 62-grain... (show quote)


300 meters does not define it. Perhaps you should join the Marines. They’ll educate you.

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Aug 9, 2019 15:40:33   #
Najataagihe
 
boberic wrote:
Will please explain to me exactly what an assault weapon is.


Original post.

Who's deflecting?



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Aug 9, 2019 15:42:33   #
Angmo
 
Najataagihe wrote:
Original post.

Who's deflecting?




Never been defined by you. You missed the defining feature. Has zero to do with bullet weight.

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Aug 9, 2019 15:43:28   #
Najataagihe
 
Angmo wrote:
300 meters does not define it. Perhaps you should join the Marines. They’ll educate you.


You are a man after my own heart.

300 meters is the maximum effective range of an assault rifle.


Marksmen, Marine or otherwise, shoot battle rifles a lot farther than that!




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Aug 9, 2019 15:52:27   #
Angmo
 
Najataagihe wrote:
You are a man after my own heart.

300 meters is the maximum effective range of an assault rifle.


Marksmen, Marine or otherwise, shoot battle rifles a lot farther than that!


My M16 max effective range was 460 meters.
You can still reach out and touch someone further out than that. My M14 & 300 Win Mag has no issues as they are larger more powerful cartridges. .338 is really good.

It really has to do with accuracy as the bullet t***sitions from supersonic to subsonic and energy (foot pounds) at the receiving end. That’s called terminal velocity.

The se*****r switch matters with the definition of an assault rifle. The media and evil leftie Dems are ignorant of firearms.

The more ignorant, the louder the opinion.

The military assault Rifle was designed to be used at 300 meters hence the cartridge design and all. That’s is not max effective range. Desert and mountain environments really need a more powerful cartridge.

The military always fights the last war. While the 5.56 can be devastating inside 300 meters, I just don’t care for the caliber.

And the AK? @300 meters it is not accurate.

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Aug 9, 2019 16:12:55   #
Rose42
 
mjmoore17 wrote:
Republicans do not want to control people. They do not want anyone to allow them to control their gun rights. They do not want control women’s bodies. They are obviously as American as it gets -not.


One thing republicans have going for them is they have far fewer snowflakes.

They also don’t champion k*****g life at its most innocent as you do. Only the depraved give no thought to that innocent life.

But they are corrupt just as the democrats are.

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Aug 9, 2019 16:14:37   #
pendennis
 
yhtomit wrote:
Reform hippa laws so crazy people can be legally identified.


Easier stated than accomplished.

HIPAA laws protect people from nosy, prying folks who have no earthly reason for seeing those records. And it presents a very slippery slope from which there is no return; greased at the edge and perpendicular to the ground.

The doctor/patient relationship has to remain highly sacrosanct, and not just for cases of mental illness for the purchase/ownership of firearms. There are all kinds of diseases and conditions which folks have, and which have negative social, financial, etc., implications for employment, social interaction, any number of reasons. Once the relationship has been broken for preventing a firearms purchase, the next fracture becomes much easier. If a judge decides that your illness/condition should be revealed to your employer, the game is over. Precedent has been established, and courts will use stare decisis for every reason under the sun to break the relationships. Your medical life is no longer private. Say you had syphilis when you were 21, you're now fifty. Want that to become public knowledge? And that's one of the milder examples.

From there, it's only a matter of which trust relationship can and must be violated - lawyer/client, priest/parishioner. The Fourth Amendment applies here especially. Now, I'm not naive to believe that these trust relationships are literally inviolable, they're not. But there have to be very real limits, and brutally high sanctions for anyone who violates them. Judges are not all bestowed with Themis-like wisdom, so we should err on the side of the individual.

There's great gnashing of teeth and thumping of breast over these last two shootings. However, bad as they were, they're a relatively rare event; higher numbers of murders go on each week in Chicago, Baltimore, and other large cities, and the "press" hardly reports on those.

If a person's mental condition is brought into the public arena, and it turns out that this person wasn't a mental defective because of error or maliciousness, just what is the remedy? It brings another round of legal proceedings, and the only ones that get rich are the lawyers. No amount of money will repair the loss of reputation once these violations are made. As the line from former Secretary of Labor James Donovan goes, "What office do I go to get back my reputation?".

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Aug 9, 2019 16:17:27   #
Angmo
 
pendennis wrote:
Easier stated than accomplished.

HIPAA laws protect people from nosy, prying folks who have no earthly reason for seeing those records. And it presents a very slippery slope from which there is no return; greased at the edge and perpendicular to the ground.

The doctor/patient relationship has to remain highly sacrosanct, and not just for cases of mental illness for the purchase/ownership of firearms. There are all kinds of diseases and conditions which folks have, and which have negative social, financial, etc., implications for employment, social interaction, any number of reasons. Once the relationship has been broken for preventing a firearms purchase, the next fracture becomes much easier. If a judge decides that your illness/condition should be revealed to your employer, the game is over. Precedent has been established, and courts will use stare decisis for every reason under the sun to break the relationships. Your medical life is no longer private. Say you had syphilis when you were 21, you're now fifty. Want that to become public knowledge? And that's one of the milder examples.

From there, it's only a matter of which trust relationship can and must be violated - lawyer/client, priest/parishioner. The Fourth Amendment applies here especially. Now, I'm not naive to believe that these trust relationships are literally inviolable, they're not. But there have to be very real limits, and brutally high sanctions for anyone who violates them. Judges are not all bestowed with Themis-like wisdom, so we should err on the side of the individual.

There's great gnashing of teeth and thumping of breast over these last two shootings. However, bad as they were, they're a relatively rare event; higher numbers of murders go on each week in Chicago, Baltimore, and other large cities, and the "press" hardly reports on those.

If a person's mental condition is brought into the public arena, and it turns out that this person wasn't a mental defective because of error or maliciousness, just what is the remedy? It brings another round of legal proceedings, and the only ones that get rich are the lawyers. No amount of money will repair the loss of reputation once these violations are made. As the line from former Secretary of Labor James Donovan goes, "What office do I go to get back my reputation?".
Easier stated than accomplished. br br HIPAA laws... (show quote)


Evil leftie Dems have closed most all insane asylums. Preferring to open the doors and medicate the crazies.

Consequences of evil leftie dem policies always fail.

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Aug 9, 2019 16:26:57   #
Najataagihe
 
Angmo wrote:
My M16 max effective range was 460 meters.


Literally speaking, you are correct.

However, I did not want to have to explain why a rifle with a maximum effective range of 460 meters has a battle sight zero at 250 meters.

Had I mentioned that the requirements were for a maximum 300-meter battle sight zero, I would have had to explain it to those who have no idea.

Now that you brought it up, YOU can explain it!


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Desert and mountain environments really need a more powerful cartridge.


One of the few statements to which I can honestly say "Duh".


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The military always fights the last war. While the 5.56 can be devastating inside 300 meters, I just don’t care for the caliber.


Hey, it's great for coyotes and feral dogs!


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And the AK? @300 meters it is not accurate.


That's because it was designed to always go "boom", not be a marksman's rifle.





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Aug 9, 2019 16:33:11   #
Angmo
 
Najataagihe wrote:
That's because it was designed to always go "boom", not be a marksman's rifle.






Feral dogs... none in my state

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Aug 9, 2019 16:41:50   #
Najataagihe
 
That depends on your definition of "feral dog", doesn't it?

No, No. Bad Naja, no biscuit.


Real feral dogs k**led several of our goats and a young calf.

A few Vitamin Pb pills solved that problem.

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Aug 9, 2019 16:45:14   #
Angmo
 
Najataagihe wrote:
That depends on your definition of "feral dog", doesn't it?

No, No. Bad Naja, no biscuit.


Real feral dogs k**led several of our goats and a young calf.

A few Vitamin Pb pills solved that problem.


I figured you meant hogs. Pigs that is.

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Aug 9, 2019 16:45:54   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
boberic wrote:
Will please explain to me exactly what an assault weapon is.


Per the f*****t progressives it’s a gun that shoots anything besides filtered water, though allowances are made for switching out the water with acid when it’s a f*****t progressive shooting at a Conservative!

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Aug 9, 2019 16:46:46   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
btbg wrote:
You have hit on exactly what the problem is. There is no such thing and what gets deemed to be an assault weapon by politicians is often unclear and nebulous.

What they appear to want to ban is some semi-automatic rifles that happen to look somewhat like military firearms rather than traditional hunting rifles.

The thing is no one has accurately defined exactly which rifles are assault rifles and which ones are suitable hunting rifles and no one has demonstrated that a ban would work at all.

In fact the government's own study regarding the ban on assault rifles that went from 1994 to 204 is that the ban had no discernible difference on gun violence. Do the same study today and you will get the same result.

I repeat no difference. And in spite of what the news and liberals would have you to believe violent crime is down dramatically in the United States since 2004.

There is no one on this site that can give you an accurate and objective answer because there isn't one.
You have hit on exactly what the problem is. There... (show quote)



Actually gun deaths dropped almost in half once the ban lifted (on a per 100,000 basis).

You can’t solve a problem if you don’t define it, and that’s further proof no politicians really want to solve this issue. Remember, along with a******n it’s the largest fundraiser for BOTH parties.

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