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Aug 2, 2019 12:30:00   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
wpas wrote:
I read that the 85mm lens is an ideal lens for portraiture work. However, if you have a cropped DSLR camera, that’s a lens that seems impossible to buy as all of the 85mm lenses I see for sale, including the Nikon, are for full frame cameras. So that an 85mm lens placed on a cropped camera, as I believe most of us own, will actually be a 127mm lens, not a great portrait lens. Therefore, for most of us, I guess we should be using a 50mm lens that will give us an actual 75mm effective focal length which is closer to the recommended 85mm lens. I’m I thinking correctly here or am I missing something?
I read that the 85mm lens is an ideal lens for por... (show quote)


Depends on how far you can back up.

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Aug 2, 2019 12:36:04   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
600mm and they will probably never know you are taking their portrait...😳😎

Architect1776 wrote:
Depends on how far you can back up.

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Aug 2, 2019 12:48:49   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
via the lens wrote:
I have no clue why you would think that "most of us" only own a crop camera. Where would you get that belief? I own three cameras, two full frame and one crop, and I'm sure many, many others own full frame also, as well as crop. Your math is right, your thoughts on this one are, perhaps, way off, as far as ownership. Don't buy the 85mm if it doesn't work for you, simply buy something else and move on.


I agree. I own way more than 3 cameras and while the majority of them are APS-C, 3 are actual full frame and one is simulated full frame.

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Aug 2, 2019 12:52:22   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I agree. I own way more than 3 cameras and while the majority of them are APS-C, 3 are actual full frame and one is simulated full frame.


I've never heard of a "simulated full frame".

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Aug 2, 2019 13:18:23   #
Cyberkinesis70 Loc: Northern Colorado
 
billnikon wrote:
Ask Jimmy D what a snoze is.


I'm afraid I can't ask Mr. Durante anything he has been dead for sometime. However, short of a seance, he would tell you that it is "schnoz". Please try to be less rude with your replies. You nor anybody else on here is absolutely right.

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Aug 2, 2019 13:32:50   #
toxdoc42
 
wpas wrote:
Wow! I feel I just had a real lesson. Thanks a bunch for taking your time to answer my question. This is a recent photo I took with a Nikon 18-200mm zoom set to about 80mm. I wasn’t happy with the background.


You make the point I was thinking about reading the posts. The focal length is only one consideration on what to use for portraits. What are you trying to achieve, how much of the face(s) do you want/ need to keep in focus. I have been shocked at times by the narrow depth of field with my 50 mm prime DX Nikon 1.8 on my d3400 (please don't flame me over that term, I am an old guy and 60+ years ago in the glorious film days, that is what we called it) you have to work very hard getting the faces in focus and blurring the background. I was taught in class, years ago, that 85 mm was the best combination of foreshortening for a lensebto be used for portraits.

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Aug 2, 2019 13:34:30   #
Saigon Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I use my EF 85 f/1.2L on both FF and APS-C bodies. On Canon cameras and lenses there's a red dot, white square and white dot on the bodies and lenses. If the lens has a red dot it will mount and body with a red dot. Same goes for the white dot and white square.
On an APC-C body, I simply move farther away from the subject.
I like to use it on my EOS M50 with the EF to EOS-M 0.71X adapter.


rmorrison1116,

How the 85 f1.2 L perform on M50 body (with M-EF adapter)?

Thanks

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Aug 2, 2019 13:45:54   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
I was taught in class, years ago, that 85 mm was the best combination of foreshortening for a lensebto be used for portraits.

Presumably that was with a 35mm film camera; you might have learned something different with a medium format film camera - the type I saw used most often by portrait professionals in the Age of Fiim.

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Aug 2, 2019 13:49:43   #
Haydon
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
600mm and they will probably never know you are taking their portrait...😳😎


You'll need to offer posing direction with a cellphone call ;)

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Aug 2, 2019 13:59:15   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Yes, I played with a 300 f/2.8 a few weeks ago. Tried it with my 2x extender too. It is about a 5.5 lb 600 that way. Shooting with a prime made me realize how much I shoot with zooms... 😎

Haydon wrote:
You'll need to offer posing direction with a cellphone call ;)

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Aug 2, 2019 14:50:49   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
billnikon wrote:
Ask Jimmy D what a snoze is.


You meant a schnozz!

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Aug 2, 2019 15:01:19   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
wpas wrote:
A little more information on the photo I enclosed for this discussion. My granddaughter had just announced her engagement at our home and wanted an immediate photo of the occasion. We live in the city with small back yards and it was a bright sunny day. There was not only no decent non busy background available, but definite lack of shade. This was the best background available with the least problems. As my camera is new, I have minimal lenses available. My other issue is that I’m 75 and normally in a wheel chair when we are vacationing. As a result, I purchased the Nikon 18-200 VR lens as my one and only carry around lens as I can’t lug a camera bag full of stuff. However, I found this particular lens lacking due to it tight apertures of f3.5-5.6 and am looking for one more lens to help with future engagement pictures of the couple that would normally include a range from what you see in the photo to maybe a little tighter. I feel I would normally continue to use my zoom for full length and longer.
I really appreciate all of the varied discussion on the subject as it’s been much more than I expected. You’re really a great group. Thanks a bunch...
A little more information on the photo I enclosed ... (show quote)


Before reading this I was going to suggest that my 18-200 is an ideal portrait lens. I find I can get plenty of bokeh shooting at f5.6.

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Aug 2, 2019 15:03:49   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Background control tips:

Find a background area, if possible that is somewhat darker than the subject area.

Move the subjects further away from the backgroud area.

Use a wide aperture and focus very precisely on the subject(s).

If the background is cluttered, rendering it way out of focus may help.

I did a quick and dirty edit on you image just to illustrate my points. This is a post-processing simulation- it's better to do this in camera.

Other tips: Use a reflector to get more light into the eyes and the eye sockets. If the refecor is placed anywhere from 25 to 45 degrees off camera you will also get more modeling in the faces.

Nice expressions! I tried to find a frame to pick up on the colors of teh flowers on her dress.
Background control tips: br br Find a background ... (show quote)


Dude, not to be mean, but that is hideous and amateurish. Definitely not an improvement on the original.

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Aug 2, 2019 15:35:56   #
Bill P
 
These posts are going in the wrong direction. There is no "perfect" or "required" lens for any situation.There are, however, lenses that do best at fulfilling your artistic aims. That is for you to decide, and none of our opinions matter a bit.

But to cloud the issue, I'll put my Nikkor 135/2 DC against your 85 any day.

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Aug 2, 2019 16:08:30   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Saying none of the information or opinions shared matter is ridiculous. Sharing information has value and can be used by the OP or anyone else as they wish. Nobody is forcing the OP to do anything or reach a specific choice or decision.

Bill P wrote:
These posts are going in the wrong direction. There is no "perfect" or "required" lens for any situation.There are, however, lenses that do best at fulfilling your artistic aims. That is for you to decide, and none of our opinions matter a bit.

But to cloud the issue, I'll put my Nikkor 135/2 DC against your 85 any day.

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