"Paper or Plastic?" - No More
Jul 21, 2019 08:22:07 #
Jul 21, 2019 08:58:13 #
Plastic has its place in a responsible thinking society however therein lies the problem. Paper is the old time standard and it can be made from recycled paper and wood that is considered scrap. My only issue with paper is at times it gets soggy and my "stuff" falls out. Reusable cloth bags are a much better solution and they are long-lasting so they are an all round good investment.
Jul 21, 2019 09:02:07 #
Architect1776 wrote:
How many plastic bags and straws could be made from the plastic in 1 automobile?
How many from 1 camera?
What about infusion bags and medical tubing?
If plastic is so bad then never buy an automobile, any photographic equipment or refuse all medical equipment and supplies made with evil plastic.
Bags and straws are such a minuscule portion of plastic waste.
How many from 1 camera?
What about infusion bags and medical tubing?
If plastic is so bad then never buy an automobile, any photographic equipment or refuse all medical equipment and supplies made with evil plastic.
Bags and straws are such a minuscule portion of plastic waste.
Not a lot of cars and cameras floating around in the oceans causing all kinds of grief.
Jul 21, 2019 09:03:28 #
Jul 21, 2019 10:25:04 #
G. Crook
Loc: Linden, TX
Some grocery stores I have been in will bag in paper vs plastic if you ask. On the other hand, there have been stores where I just get a blank stare if I ask for paper.
Jul 21, 2019 10:43:19 #
StanMac
Loc: Tennessee
It was encouraging to see across the country municipalities taking significant steps to curb plastic pollution in their communities where state or federal action is lacking. But here in the deep red state of Tennessee, our republican dominated legislature wasn’t having any part of such grassroots efforts to curb the deluge of plastic in our environment - they took the step of prohibiting Tennessee municipalities from banning plastic bags.
Stan
Stan
Jul 21, 2019 10:57:54 #
Kaib795
Loc: Maryland, USA
This is a green thing that has back fired on them.
The paper bags were fine and were made from wood chips. It decomposes just fine and came from the earth. Going to plastic to save the trees was a mistake and so was not allowing logging of trees, hence more deadly forest fires in California. They did the same with leather, rejecting it and pushing for man made fleece only to have that first material disperse micro fibers into the water and to the streams killing fish, clogging their lungs with the fibers. Leather is a fine bi-product of butchering beef and leather lasts a long time (otherwise are we to disgrace the animal and throw the leather away?). Another Green failure. In California they decided to save a minnow and blocked water to the Napa valley where most of their produce is grown. Why not make sure they don't die and add them to a fishery so they remain viable in case of drought? They do that with trout everywhere. Just so many poor decisions and not looking at the past to see what was done in other situations. How about the rail to help with traffic in California only to have them give up on it and use the millions on other things? Was this intentional? That was Federal money California, what are you thinking (abuse of power) but not California's money, all tax payers money stolen. And California and NY City wonder why the rich are leaving?
The paper bags were fine and were made from wood chips. It decomposes just fine and came from the earth. Going to plastic to save the trees was a mistake and so was not allowing logging of trees, hence more deadly forest fires in California. They did the same with leather, rejecting it and pushing for man made fleece only to have that first material disperse micro fibers into the water and to the streams killing fish, clogging their lungs with the fibers. Leather is a fine bi-product of butchering beef and leather lasts a long time (otherwise are we to disgrace the animal and throw the leather away?). Another Green failure. In California they decided to save a minnow and blocked water to the Napa valley where most of their produce is grown. Why not make sure they don't die and add them to a fishery so they remain viable in case of drought? They do that with trout everywhere. Just so many poor decisions and not looking at the past to see what was done in other situations. How about the rail to help with traffic in California only to have them give up on it and use the millions on other things? Was this intentional? That was Federal money California, what are you thinking (abuse of power) but not California's money, all tax payers money stolen. And California and NY City wonder why the rich are leaving?
Jul 21, 2019 11:42:32 #
Mongo
Loc: Western New York
After doing a fair amount of reading, and searching and peer review article databases, I am coming of the opinion that the plastic bag ban appear to be more politically driven than ecologically driven. My reason for saying this is that there appears to be a preponderance of evidence that paper bags are more consumptive of Natural Resources, including energy per bag.
Personally I like paper bags.
With respect to plastic bags my understanding is that they consume far less resources per bag than any other packaging approach. I admit they are ugly hanging in the tree tops near the landfill down the road. For that I do not like them.
With regard to reusable bags, which appear to be the political push right now, there is a fair amount of evidence in peer-reviewed papers that the bacteria which grow on those bags, as well as other Critters, cannot effectively be dealt with, and after several uses the bags are about as clean as washroom door handles.
So with a personal preference of paper bags, I find that plastic bags are less consumptive of resources. Reusable bags are fine, except they're not the healthiest thing to haul around groceries in.
There is a final point. It appears that the biggest impact in the elimination of plastic bags is on the poor who have to walk to the grocery store and back, in all kinds of weather, who cannot afford nor manage $1 reusable bags, and for whom paper bags will cause lost groceries and substantial inconvenience when going home in the rain or wet snow.
Personally I like paper bags.
With respect to plastic bags my understanding is that they consume far less resources per bag than any other packaging approach. I admit they are ugly hanging in the tree tops near the landfill down the road. For that I do not like them.
With regard to reusable bags, which appear to be the political push right now, there is a fair amount of evidence in peer-reviewed papers that the bacteria which grow on those bags, as well as other Critters, cannot effectively be dealt with, and after several uses the bags are about as clean as washroom door handles.
So with a personal preference of paper bags, I find that plastic bags are less consumptive of resources. Reusable bags are fine, except they're not the healthiest thing to haul around groceries in.
There is a final point. It appears that the biggest impact in the elimination of plastic bags is on the poor who have to walk to the grocery store and back, in all kinds of weather, who cannot afford nor manage $1 reusable bags, and for whom paper bags will cause lost groceries and substantial inconvenience when going home in the rain or wet snow.
Jul 21, 2019 12:44:46 #
Just a thought-------
It's not plastic pollution----- It's man's polluting with plastic. Put the empty where it belongs. Not on the roadside!! Not on the beach!!
Len
It's not plastic pollution----- It's man's polluting with plastic. Put the empty where it belongs. Not on the roadside!! Not on the beach!!
Len
Jul 21, 2019 12:46:26 #
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Jul 21, 2019 13:30:03 #
Straightshooter
Loc: Edmonton AB
olemikey wrote:
We are slowly "plasticizing" our planet, pollution from oil knows no bounds, don't like plastics in general, an insideous plague on our global ecosystem, but hey, a few folks get rich and stay rich from the profis of the "black gold", and the hell with the rest of us..............
Pollution from oil ???
Do you drive a car have a TV or a cell phone have a Furnace in your house or maybe an Air conditioner .
Don't be so harsh if it it wasn't for oil you would not have all off this
Yes they make lots of things that pollute and that needs to change like plastic bags . cups ,straws etc
Jul 21, 2019 14:51:14 #
Jul 21, 2019 14:59:06 #
jwn
Loc: SOUTHEAST GEORGIA USA
jerryc41 wrote:
I haven't heard about that "great idea," but I hope you're kidding.
$1.50 per straw.....straws are too small for recycling machine and end up in trash
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