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Jul 18, 2019 14:12:38   #
Bill P
 
This question cannot be answered. The best one is not the one I like, or the Canon guys like, or the Pentax guy likes. Go to the nearest camera store and pick up and handle each. You will find that some are not all that comfortable to hold. If you get one that's too big or small for your hands, or too heavy, you will be unsatisfied with it and be back with another what's the best camera question. Save your money and time and go hold one!

Just remember to get one that comes from a real camera company, if it's something like Vivitar, avoid it.

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Jul 18, 2019 15:09:58   #
Paul1701A
 
I just purchased my first DSLR and am looking forward to learning how to use it. It’s a Nikon D3500. I looked long and hard and decided on this model due partly to the bundle it came with as well as the features I was looking for to start out of the box. I’ve only had point & shoots before now and am interested in getting my feet wet with a better level of photography. I’m looking forward to getting your newsletters & reading all I can about how to be a good photographer. Thanks for the info I’ve read so far.

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Jul 18, 2019 15:38:36   #
Paul1701A
 
Hey Skittles 7071,
Have you checked out the Amazon site? I was able to get a Nikon D3500 with a bundle that has two lenses & a number of other items included for about $460.00 US. After looking at many different brands, I settled on the Nikon. You may want a different brand, but you have a number of options that are available for about what you’re wanting to spend. Good luck with your purchase and happy hunting!

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Jul 18, 2019 16:58:52   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Skittles7071 wrote:
Hi, I'm looking to get my first dslr camera. I have always just had cheap point and shoot cameras in the past so will need one with a lens but dont want to spend loads of money. I was thinking around £250-300 for an entry level camera. Any suggestions greatly appreciated


This is a topic the began long before I joined the forum and will continue till the end of time.
First off, I shoot Canon. But I'm not recommending one manufacturer over another. Everyone will chime in on this thread and tell you the one they use is the best. That simply is not fair and will leave you more confused than you are right now.
Second, don't presume that a more expensive camera is better than one that is cheaper. Majority of the price tag is dictated by the bells and whistles a camera has. That doesn't make it better. Learning the basics of photography will make you appreciate a camera. The camera takes one percent of the photograph. The remaining 99 percent of the photograph is done by the nut in the viewfinder.

My suggestion is to go into a camera retailer. You might be spending a lot of time there looking. Pick up one and play with it. How does it feel in your hands? Look and walk around with it. You may buy a camera that day perhaps after 20 or more trials and errors.

You may leave the store without a purchase. You may also rent a camera for a couple of times before you make your choice official and a purchase.

One thematic thread I have noticed amongst photographers is they develop a collection of cameras and stockpile gear.

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Jul 18, 2019 17:19:24   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
photogeneralist wrote:
Panasonic, Olympus, Fuji, Pentax Sony and others have all made worthy candidates that are availabe in the OP's price range on the used market.


Be specific. The OP needs a camera lens combination under $375 ish.
Not just brand names. Make a recommendation for specific cameras and lenses like others here have for Canon and Nikon.

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Jul 18, 2019 17:20:07   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
dwmoar wrote:
NO, the battery is not larger.... It is the same battery (LP-E17) used in the SL2 and the SL3, the difference comes down to the DIGIC7 and the DIGIC8. The DIGIC8 processor is more efficient and therefore in turn can take more photos using the same battery.

I too own the SL2 and if were asked which I would buy I would have to say the SL2 even though the SL3 has better battery life and can take 4K video, Canon has seen fit in their own mind to remove features and cripple the SL3 by removing the flash mount center pin, now you will need to use a "Canon" flash if you are going to use the hot shoe. There are many items that Canon has removed from the SL3 that was found on the SL2. While they might not be important to some, they might be to others. These items have been discussed here on the forum.
NO, the battery is not larger.... It is the same b... (show quote)


Now you know why I recommended the SL2 over the SL3, you get more functionality for the money.

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Jul 18, 2019 17:25:12   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
photogeneralist wrote:
Panasonic, Olympus, Fuji, Pentax Sony and others have all made worthy candidates that are availabe in the OP's price range on the used market.


You have recommended manufacturers, not specific cameras.

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Jul 18, 2019 17:40:02   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Scruples wrote:
This is a topic the began long before I joined the forum and will continue till the end of time.
First off, I shoot Canon. But I'm not recommending one manufacturer over another. Everyone will chime in on this thread and tell you the one they use is the best. That simply is not fair and will leave you more confused than you are right now.
Second, don't presume that a more expensive camera is better than one that is cheaper. Majority of the price tag is dictated by the bells and whistles a camera has. That doesn't make it better. Learning the basics of photography will make you appreciate a camera. The camera takes one percent of the photograph. The remaining 99 percent of the photograph is done by the nut in the viewfinder.

My suggestion is to go into a camera retailer. You might be spending a lot of time there looking. Pick up one and play with it. How does it feel in your hands? Look and walk around with it. You may buy a camera that day perhaps after 20 or more trials and errors.

You may leave the store without a purchase. You may also rent a camera for a couple of times before you make your choice official and a purchase.

One thematic thread I have noticed amongst photographers is they develop a collection of cameras and stockpile gear.
This is a topic the began long before I joined the... (show quote)


The camera takes one percent of the photograph?! No, no, no; the camera takes 100% of the photograph. The user is responsible for set up and composition but the camera is responsible for taking, in other words, recording the photograph.
Since you didn't make a recommendation, how does your contribution to the conversation actually help the OP?!

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Jul 18, 2019 18:20:54   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
I agree other good cameras but the choices of used equipment as well as other manufactures (ie lenses) is better with the top sellers.

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Jul 18, 2019 18:48:21   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
The camera takes one percent of the photograph?! No, no, no; the camera takes 100% of the photograph. The user is responsible for set up and composition but the camera is responsible for taking, in other words, recording the photograph.
Since you didn't make a recommendation, how does your contribution to the conversation actually help the OP?!


You are correct when you say I didn't make a recommendation. I deliberately did not do that because I didn't want to start a word war. Everybody would chime in and tell the original poster (skittles7071) the pros of their hardworker and the cons of everyone else's camera. This was not my intention simply because it would serve to confuse. I didn't want you to say your camera is better than mine. Then another photographer would come back with "my camera is better than both of yours." And so it begins. And it will never end.
When choosing a camera my choice is different from yours for different reasons.
On another note, perchance that I applaud the fantastic functionality of my camera, I'm not receiving a royalty for advertising a particular product from a particular manufacturer. I sincerely hope that the original poster takes their time to select a camera.
As for my analysis of being a photographer please understand this is only my way of rationalizing my "hobby."
Yes I'm a hobbyist and not a professional.
The camera is a tool capable of recording an image, any image. The photographer does most of the work to make the image a reality. That is why I say I'm the "nut in the viewfinder."
If you did not appreciate my lack of a camera recommendation, please accept my apology. I am not here at the forum to antagonize anyone.

Happy Shooting!

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Jul 18, 2019 20:54:09   #
IslandMom
 
Don't know about Nikon EU, but Nikon US offers killer deals throughout the year. Last was on Father's Day in US (June). They had packages with a body and two lenses for the Nikon D3500, which is a very nice entry level Nikon. You can grow and learn with it.

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Jul 18, 2019 21:09:56   #
lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
You have recommended manufacturers, not specific cameras.
Yes, you are correct, photogeneralist did not, and for good reason. If you read the context in which he conveyed his observation, it is evident that he was addressing the membership, not the OP's question. He might even have a valid point!

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Jul 18, 2019 21:28:56   #
lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Be specific. The OP needs a camera lens combination under $375 ish.
Not just brand names. Make a recommendation for specific cameras and lenses like others here have for Canon and Nikon.
Hey, dsmeltz! How you doin'? We conversed a couple of years ago.

While your suggestion to photogeneralist's second of two posts may be appropriate, per se, in the context of the post he made immediately preceding it, it is evident that he is addressing the membership regarding the nature of the suggestions being made to the OP. That’s all.

Yes, it’s too bad that he was unable to combine his two consecutive posts, spaced almost four minutes apart, into one post.

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Jul 18, 2019 21:50:12   #
lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.
 
photogeneralist wrote:
Reading through the responses I'm struck by the absence of Sony recommendations. Is there a reason?
There are many good cameras by manufacturers other than Nikon and Canon.
Good point, I think. I know I love my Sony camera system, but I frankly:
A. don’t keep up with prices for entry-level gear, especially since I’m just an American (and the OP appears to reside in the UK);
B. don’t keep up with currency exchange rates;
C. don’t keep up with whether British imports are subject to astounding tariffs, as my Scandinavian neighbors are (that’s why they bought cars here upon arrival and will be shipping them back home when they depart rather than purchasing them in their respective home countries); and
D. don’t keep up with those European V.A.T.s, so why bother?

As for other Sony users not making suggestions, I don’t really know. I suppose the preceding could somehow be twisted into implying that Sony users are more savvy and know when to refrain from giving useless recommendations for the OP's stated budget, but what do I know?

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Jul 18, 2019 22:15:56   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
lev29 wrote:
Hey, dsmeltz! How you doin'? We conversed a couple of years ago.

While your suggestion to photogeneralist's second of two posts may be appropriate, per se, in the context of the post he made immediately preceding it, it is evident that he is addressing the membership regarding the nature of the suggestions being made to the OP. That’s all.

Yes, it’s too bad that he was unable to combine his two consecutive posts, spaced almost four minutes apart, into one post.
Hey, dsmeltz! How you doin'? We conversed a couple... (show quote)


I saw both posts and my response was valid whether it was Sony or simply not Canon or Nikon.

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