RAW vs Jpeg (again)
Jul 21, 2019 21:44:46 #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
That is true for all file formats.
it's quite different, a raw file is more like a plot outline where the jpeg is the resulting book.
or the ingredients t a bowl of soup and the bowl of soup itself.
Raw files are the start of a process while the jpeg is really at the end. If bob and mary were to open the same raw file then the image that bob shows you can be quite different from marys because it is subject to their interpretation of it. on the other hand ask them to open a jpeg then subject to differences between monitors the image for both is the same.
it's like the buskers version of baker st v the version on city to city by gerry rafferty. i mean any number of us can get a copy of gerry rafferty's version but only the person who saw the busker perform can appreciate the differences .
Jul 22, 2019 00:56:21 #
Dale Evans - Amaetur
Loc: Baton Rouge, La
Rich1939 wrote:
I'm sorry but again I don't know what you're referring to
You said that you stopped reading the Wikipedia entry when you came to the liability notice that every reference has.
"Okay, I wasn't sure which of us you were referring to so, I looked
and stopped reading after this:
WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY"
Had you have continued reading you would have found this list of if the contributors to this entry in Wikipedia.
Just because Wikipedia is free does not mean that it is not one of the best reference sources on a given subject that is available.
Wikipedia has its trolls who in addition to claiming it is worthless, take great delight in finding errors in the Wiki. When these errors are brought to light, and if confirmed, they are removed. This is a system for self-correction that no other reference system I know of has.
Here are the footnotes that you did not read:
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Adobe: DNG Specification
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"Sony announce new RGBE CCD". dpreview.com. 15 July 2003.
"Raw storm in a teacup?". Dpreview.com. 2005-04-27. Retrieved 2007-12-09. Dave Coffin, creator of the dcraw program, discusses some of his successful reverse-engineering in this interview, and mentions his enthusiasm for the DNG format.
Reichmann, Michael; Specht, Juergen (May 2005). "The RAW Flaw (at The Luminous Landscape)".
Reichmann, Michael; Specht, Juergen (May 2005). "The RAW Flaw (at The Luminous Landscape)". Archived from the original (DOC) on 2012-09-20.
Reichmann, Michael; Specht, Juergen (May 2005). "The RAW Flaw (at The Luminous Landscape)" (PDF). Archived from the original (PDF) on 2011-01-06.
Planning for US Library of Congress Collections: Preferences in Summary
Barry Pearson: What is in a raw file?
Adobe: DNG 1.3.0.0 Specification (June 2009) (scroll down a bit)
Barry Pearson: Products from Camera Manufacturers that use DNG in some way
Barry Pearson: DNG support, to end-September 2006
Barry Pearson: A brief history of DNG
Adobe Labs: CinemaDNG (final bullet point)
Adobe: Digital Negative (DNG) Specification Patent License
I3A (International Imaging Industry Association): WG18, Ad Hoc groups and JWG 20/22/23 Meet in Tokyo
Web archive of widely distributed email: Forwarded Message from a member of the ISO TC42 (technical committee for photography) working group 18 (electronic imaging) standards group
DPReview: Adobe seeks International recognition for DNG
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NPES: Minutes of ISO/TC 130/WG2, 39th Meeting, see 14f
TIFF structure of Canon CR2
Lossless ITU-T81 jpeg compression of Canon CR2
Describing the Canon Raw v3 (CR3) file format
R. Ramanath; W.E. Snyder; Y. Yoo; M.S. Drew. "Color Image Processing Pipeline in Digital Still Cameras" (PDF).
Keigo Hirakawa. "Color Imaging Pipeline for Digital Still & Video Cameras Part 1: Pipeline and Color Processing" (PDF).
"Inside the Canon RAW format version 2, understanding .CR2 file format and files produced by Canon EOS Digital Camera". lclevy.free.fr.
Ron Day. Understanding & Using the RAW File Format
Nanette Salvaggio (2008). Basic Photographic Materials and Processes (3rd ed.). Focal Press. p. 206. ISBN 978-0-240-80984-7.
William E. Kasdorf (2003). The Columbia guide to digital publishing. Columbia University Press. p. 270. ISBN 978-0-231-12499-7.
"Digital Negative (DNG) Specification" (PDF): 14.
"Comparative test: Canon 10D / Nikon D70 in the field of deep-sky astronomy". Archived from the original on 2004-07-08.
"Digital Negative (DNG) Specification" (PDF): 61.
"Is the Nikon D70 NEF (RAW) format truly lossless?".
"Understanding Camera Raw".
"RawDigger: detecting posterization in SONY cRAW/ARW2 files - RawDigger". www.rawdigger.com.
Kevin Carter (March 3, 2014). "RED Epic Dragon review: First camera to break the 100-point DxOMark sensor score barrier".
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"Windows Camera Codec Pack". Microsoft. 2014-04-22. Retrieved 2015-02-18.
Understanding RAW Image Support in Windows Vista: Windows Vista team blog Archived 2007-10-12 at the Wayback Machine
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Rietschin, Axel. "FastPictureViewer Professional - Image File Formats Compatibility Chart". www.fastpictureviewer.com.
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External links
Adobe: Understanding Raw Files"; background on how camera sensors treat raw files
Open RAW: a working group of photographers, software engineers and other people interested in advocating the open documentation of digital camera raw files
Atkins, Bob: "Raw, JPEG, and TIFF"; common file formats compared.
Coupe, Adam: "The benefits of shooting in RAW"; Article with diagrams explaining raw data and its advantages.
Goldstein, Jim M.: "RAW vs JPEG: Is Shooting RAW Format for Me?"; an editorial.
Basic Photography lesson in Camera Raw A pros and cons approach to the discussion of shooting in Camera Raw
Clevy, Laurent: "Inside the Canon RAW format v2: understanding the .CR2 file format"
Foi, Alessandro: "Signal-dependent noise modeling, estimation, and removal for digital imaging sensors"; with Matlab software and raw-data samples of Canon, Nikon, Fujifilm cameras.
Clevy, Laurent: "Describing the Canon Raw v3 (CR3) file format"
Jul 22, 2019 01:46:21 #
to me it's about picking your poison. sometimes I shoot raw and sometimes in raw merging 3,5,or 7 shots;
other times I set the camera to the max and shoot jpeg then edit with picasa. with work and aforethought I get great images from both formats.
other times I set the camera to the max and shoot jpeg then edit with picasa. with work and aforethought I get great images from both formats.
Jul 22, 2019 03:31:28 #
Dale Evans - Amaetur
Loc: Baton Rouge, La
BebuLamar wrote:
I meant the score is different from a recording. The recording is fixed like JPEG. The score is like a RAW that needs to be performed by musicians and conducted by the conductor. Depending on the creative idea of the conductor and musician the score can be performed quite differently.
Excellent ----
JPEG is the recording
RAW is the score
Jul 22, 2019 05:51:37 #
Dale Evans - Amaetur wrote:
Excellent ----
JPEG is the recording
RAW is the score
JPEG is the recording
RAW is the score
That is why I asked Blenheim if he has ever sent a RAW file to the lab for printing. It's like handling the DJ the sheet music and tell them to play it instead of giving him a CD.
Jul 22, 2019 07:16:54 #
srt101fan wrote:
This question doesn't just raise the old RAW vs JP... (show quote)
Finally the right answer and a good explanation.
Jul 22, 2019 08:51:27 #
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To borrow a phrase from Charlie Brown, "Good Grief"
To borrow a phrase from Charlie Brown, "Good Grief"
Jul 22, 2019 14:25:29 #
Jul 24, 2019 17:03:26 #
Why would people keep asking this question, and more importantly why would people keep saying the same things over and over?
If jpeg works for you use it. If you like to play with your photos use it. If you don't like to play with your photos, raw has no advantage.
If jpeg works for you use it. If you like to play with your photos use it. If you don't like to play with your photos, raw has no advantage.
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