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Jul 15, 2019 10:49:07 #

Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC

tomcat have you considered opening an IG account?
There you will find some of the finest commercial photographers in the world...

Since I work primarily with ballerinas... here is a small sampling of dance photographers who work close to my market...

https://www.instagram.com/ljbnyc1/
https://www.instagram.com/dtufino_photo/
https://www.instagram.com/jm_photography23/
https://www.instagram.com/jeffrendered/
https://www.instagram.com/chrismoorephotos/
https://www.instagram.com/ljbnyc1/

My major issue with UHH is that it is nearly devoid of commercial photographers...
The Lion's share of UHH members are focused on purchasing gear with little if any interested or thought on how to transform their kit into a revenue stream...

If I post on IG I receive over several orders of magnitude more interest than UHH... Especially from commercial shooters... And with IG there is the ability to search out image feeds on specific genre which attract many like minded actual working photographers...

I hang on here in UHH in hopes that other commercial shooters might contribute...
Seriously rethinking this now though... Suggest you might do same...

All the best on your journey tomcat

Jul 15, 2019 11:32:32 #

hpucker99 Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

tomcat wrote:

The past few weeks' Forum discussions have been very skimpy and not very informative. The list of questions is not as long as it used to be a year or so ago. I have noticed that many of our old-timers have not posted replies probably because there are no technical questions asked. Just wondering if folks have moved on to other forums somewhere else. Could it be the summer?

Another explanation is the quality (or lack of quality) in some of the postings. It seems that a lot of the postings are here to generate some sort of agitated pointless discussions.....

Jul 15, 2019 12:07:08 #

FreddB Loc: PA - Delaware County

Linda From Maine wrote:

Many here sit on their hands waiting for someone else to post a topic. You know what Nike says, right? 🤔

Does anyone still care what nike says?

Jul 15, 2019 12:08:56 #

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

FreddB wrote:

Does anyone still care what nike says?

Ha, good point! I'll have to update my material.

Jul 15, 2019 12:36:06 #

anotherview Loc: California

Hackneyed photographs tire me, too. I skip over them.

rpavich wrote:

For myself, I'm just not in the mood to answer the same question that's been posed 1000 times before or read the same arguments over and over.

And I can only look at a picture of a egret on a marsh or an eagle in a nest so many times before I go nuts. :)

Jul 15, 2019 13:26:36 #

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

wishaw wrote:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=73ks2TPPyho

Everyone's gone to the moon

Nice song.

Jul 15, 2019 13:28:27 #

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

Gene51 wrote:

ChrisT is still posting . . .

Jul 15, 2019 13:30:14 #

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

via the lens wrote:

People do seem to ask the craziest things and want... (show quote)

Agreed.

Jul 15, 2019 13:34:29 #

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

tomcat wrote:

People listing lenses they own then asking which one should they should use tire me out. Why did they buy them if they don't know what they are used for?

Jul 15, 2019 15:46:37 #

Bill_de Loc: US

Mac wrote:

Why did they buy them if they don't know what they are used for?

'Cause it seemed like a good idea at the time!

or

Just to release some built up gas, without causing a stink.

Jul 15, 2019 15:49:40 #

Haydon

Bill_de wrote:

Just to release some built up gas, without causing a stink.
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Jul 15, 2019 17:02:52 #

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Did you try google?

Jul 16, 2019 12:08:37 #

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

There have been a number of interesting replies to this post. I personally believe that this problem is real. Some of the replies so far address the problem. Some of them demonstrate the problem. It seems to me that there are perhaps three main reasons why folks might lose interest in the forum:

1. Erroneous or uninformed replies. I have mentioned in other posts that there is an ample supply of "lore," "institutionalized error," and just plain wrong thinking here. Lore is information based on "something I read somewhere" or "something that someone told me one time" that is repeated as fact despite no personal experience or other meaningful verification that it is true. Just one example of this is the idiotic mantra repeated here every day that "the Nikon D500 is only for sports and wildlife." This almost always is spouted by someone who does not list the D500 as a camera they own or use and many times by someone who does not own any Nikon cameras. Institutionalized error is similar, but can be even more dangerous. It is false or incomplete information (like lore), but is even worse, because it generally arises from folks in a position of some authority who promote their own approach or technique as the only way or the best way to accomplish a task or process. While there is nothing inherently wrong with anyone having a preferred way of doing things, these choices should be identified as such...choices...instead of being sermonized as the only way.

2. Indifferent arrogance. This is manifested here in a variety of ways. The three most obvious in my mind are seen when a member who is known to or can be shown to have a closetful of equipment responds to an inquirer by saying to learn to use the equipment that he already has, or (my favorite), replies with," it's the photographer, not the equipment." Let me tell you this...I shot with a Nikon D200 for 10 years and was very happy with it. It will still do things with color that I have to work fairly hard to get my newer cameras to do. But when my interest shifted to available light photography in situations where lighting was limited, it would just not do the job. Because my budget was very limited at the time, I bought a well-used D300. It wasn't the final answer by any means, but it did significantly expand my capability, both with higher sensitivity (ISO) and better long-exposure performance. No way would the D200 do even what that D300 would do, regardless of how far I refined my technique and expanded my knowledge. Eventually, available light photography became night sky photography, and hard limits imposed by the D300 required further equipment changes. I still use the D300 (and now a D300s) fairly frequently, but they are no longer my primary cameras. This category also includes a whole range of generally bad behavior...treating fellow forum members as inferior, ignorant, or just a general nuisance. Many folks come here bringing a new interest in photography and seeking to "jump start" their activities. Either they don't have or haven't located a club in their area, they don't yet have friends or even acquaintances who share their interests, or they need a boost as they begin their travels on what can appear to be an overwhelmingly complex endeavor. Some may just need a little encouragement. With a couple of exceptions, this forum is clearly not the place for that.

3. Inappropriate advertising. I realize that the true underlying purpose of this site and forum is to present us as members with advertising in order to generate income for the owners. And I recognize that as a disappointing reality of today's world. But it has become increasingly impossible to avoid noticing that more and more of the ads that are being presented are simply not appropriate. Some are undoubtedly specifically placed. Some are without a doubt context sensitive and are presented based on cues picked up on pages that our computers visit. We know from our browsing history that neither of us have visited inappropriate sites. So there is no legitimate reason that we are being presented with some of the ads we see, unless topics are being broadly extrapolated from headlines on our internet provider's home page. In any case, I have grown weary of seeing ads for Ashley Madison or for "Inappropriate Photographs from the 1970s."

So yes...what used to be a daily visit reading new posts and replies and adding my comments where I thought I might have something to contribute has become a quick visit a couple of times a week...many times without even logging in. And maybe once a week or so logging in and making a comment or two, like this morning.

I feel that I am fortunate. I'm a member of a reasonably well-functioning local club and have met three art teachers at the local school where I substitute quite often. We have discovered that we get along well and are able to learn from each other. They have shared their artistic education to help me slowly develop a better vision for my photographs, and I have shared my technical knowledge helping them more easily and skillfully capture the images that they are seeking. In fact, one of them is jointly enrolled with me in a still life class offered by our club. She wants to apply what she learns to do a better job of product photography. I want to be better able to photograph scale models of railroad equipment. Our different perspectives and expectations from the class have truly enriched the experience for both of us. And guess what...we can discuss difficult topics from completely different perspectives without ever getting ugly or even upset with each other.

The result is that this forum has lost a lot of its luster for me. I'm not sure how long I'll continue to make even my pccasional visits.

Jul 16, 2019 12:41:07 #

AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire

larryepage wrote:

There have been a number of interesting replies to this post. I personally believe that this problem is real. Some of the replies so far address the problem. Some of them demonstrate the problem. It seems to me that there are perhaps three main reasons why folks might lose interest in the forum:

1. Erroneous or uninformed replies. I have mentioned in other posts that there is an ample supply of "lore," "institutionalized error," and just plain wrong thinking here. Lore is information based on "something I read somewhere" or "something that someone told me one time" that is repeated as fact despite no personal experience or other meaningful verification that it is true. Just one example of this is the idiotic mantra repeated here every day that "the Nikon D500 is only for sports and wildlife." This almost always is spouted by someone who does not list the D500 as a camera they own or use and many times by someone who does not own any Nikon cameras. Institutionalized error is similar, but can be even more dangerous. It is false or incomplete information (like lore), but is even worse, because it generally arises from folks in a position of some authority who promote their own approach or technique as the only way or the best way to accomplish a task or process. While there is nothing inherently wrong with anyone having a preferred way of doing things, these choices should be identified as such...choices...instead of being sermonized as the only way.

2. Indifferent arrogance. This is manifested here in a variety of ways. The three most obvious in my mind are seen when a member who is known to or can be shown to have a closetful of equipment responds to an inquirer by saying to learn to use the equipment that he already has, or (my favorite), replies with," it's the photographer, not the equipment. Let me tell you this...I shot with a Nikon D200 for 10 years and was very happy with it. It will still do things that I have to work fairly hard to get my newer cameras to do. But when my interest shifted to available light photography in situations where lighting was limited, it would just not do the job. Because my budget was very limited at the time, I bought a well-used D300. It wasn't the final answer by any means, but it did significantly expand my capability, both with higher sensitivity (ISO) and better long-exposure performance. No way would the D200 do even what that D300 would do, regardless of how far I refined my technique and expanded my knowledge. Eventually, available light photography became night sky photography, and hard limits imposed by the D300 required further equipment changes. I still use the D300 (and now a D300s) fairly frequently, but they are no longer my primary cameras. This category also includes a whole range of generally bad behavior...treating fellow forum members as inferior, ignorant, or just a general nuisance. Many folks come here bringing a new interest in photography and seeking to "jump start" their activities. Either they don't have or haven't located a club in their area, they don't yet have friends or even acquaintances who share their interests, or they need a boost as they begin their travels on what can appear to be an overwhelmingly complex endeavor. Some may just need a little encouragement. With a couple of exceptions, this forum is clearly not the place for that.

3. Inappropriate advertising. I realize that the true underlying purpose of this site and forum is to present us as members with advertising in order to generate income for the owners. And I recognize that as a disappointing reality of today's world. But it has become increasingly impossible to avoid noticing that more and more of the ads that are being presented are simply not appropriate. Some are undoubtedly specifically placed. Some are without a doubt context sensitive and are presented based on cues picked up on pages that our computers visit. We know from our browsing history that neither of us have visited inappropriate sites. So there is no legitimate reason that we are being presented with some of the ads we see, unless topics are being broadly extrapolated from headlines on our internet provider's home page. In any case, I have grown weary of seeing ads for Ashley Madison or for "Inappropriate Photographs from the 1970s."

So yes...what used to be a daily visit reading new posts and replies and adding my comments where I thought I might have something to contribute has become a quick visit a couple of times a week...many times without even logging in. And maybe once a week or so logging in and making a comment or two, like this morning.

I feel that I am fortunate. I'm a member of a reasonably well-functioning local club and have met three art teachers at the local school where I substitute quite often. We have discovered that we get along well and are able to learn from each other. They have shared their artistic education to help me slowly develop a better vision for my photographs, and I have shared my technical knowledge helping them more easily and skillfully capture the images that they are seeking. In fact, one of them is jointly enrolled with me in a still life class offered by our club. She wants to apply what she learns to do a better job of product photography. I want to be better able to photograph scale models of railroad equipment. Our different perspectives and expectations from the class have truly enriched the experience for both of us. And guess what...we can discuss difficult topics from completely different perspectives without ever getting ugly or even upset with each other.

There have been a number of interesting replies to... (show quote)

Larry, this is an excellent response. I think you sum up a lot of the reasons why the more advanced photographer / contributors may be retreating a little. The patience of those who remain to answer newbie questions without derision, answer without saying "RTF*%$#ing Manual!", and not lose patience with deliberate trolling is quite amazing. They know who they are, but thanks.

Andy

Jul 16, 2019 12:47:28 #

tomcat

larryepage wrote:

There have been a number of interesting replies to this post. I personally believe that this problem is real. Some of the replies so far address the problem. Some of them demonstrate the problem. It seems to me that there are perhaps three main reasons why folks might lose interest in the forum:

1. Erroneous or uninformed replies. I have mentioned in other posts that there is an ample supply of "lore," "institutionalized error," and just plain wrong thinking here. Lore is information based on "something I read somewhere" or "something that someone told me one time" that is repeated as fact despite no personal experience or other meaningful verification that it is true. Just one example of this is the idiotic mantra repeated here every day that "the Nikon D500 is only for sports and wildlife." This almost always is spouted by someone who does not list the D500 as a camera they own or use and many times by someone who does not own any Nikon cameras. Institutionalized error is similar, but can be even more dangerous. It is false or incomplete information (like lore), but is even worse, because it generally arises from folks in a position of some authority who promote their own approach or technique as the only way or the best way to accomplish a task or process. While there is nothing inherently wrong with anyone having a preferred way of doing things, these choices should be identified as such...choices...instead of being sermonized as the only way.

2. Indifferent arrogance. This is manifested here in a variety of ways. The three most obvious in my mind are seen when a member who is known to or can be shown to have a closetful of equipment responds to an inquirer by saying to learn to use the equipment that he already has, or (my favorite), replies with," it's the photographer, not the equipment. Let me tell you this...I shot with a Nikon D200 for 10 years and was very happy with it. It will still do things that I have to work fairly hard to get my newer cameras to do. But when my interest shifted to available light photography in situations where lighting was limited, it would just not do the job. Because my budget was very limited at the time, I bought a well-used D300. It wasn't the final answer by any means, but it did significantly expand my capability, both with higher sensitivity (ISO) and better long-exposure performance. No way would the D200 do even what that D300 would do, regardless of how far I refined my technique and expanded my knowledge. Eventually, available light photography became night sky photography, and hard limits imposed by the D300 required further equipment changes. I still use the D300 (and now a D300s) fairly frequently, but they are no longer my primary cameras. This category also includes a whole range of generally bad behavior...treating fellow forum members as inferior, ignorant, or just a general nuisance. Many folks come here bringing a new interest in photography and seeking to "jump start" their activities. Either they don't have or haven't located a club in their area, they don't yet have friends or even acquaintances who share their interests, or they need a boost as they begin their travels on what can appear to be an overwhelmingly complex endeavor. Some may just need a little encouragement. With a couple of exceptions, this forum is clearly not the place for that.

3. Inappropriate advertising. I realize that the true underlying purpose of this site and forum is to present us as members with advertising in order to generate income for the owners. And I recognize that as a disappointing reality of today's world. But it has become increasingly impossible to avoid noticing that more and more of the ads that are being presented are simply not appropriate. Some are undoubtedly specifically placed. Some are without a doubt context sensitive and are presented based on cues picked up on pages that our computers visit. We know from our browsing history that neither of us have visited inappropriate sites. So there is no legitimate reason that we are being presented with some of the ads we see, unless topics are being broadly extrapolated from headlines on our internet provider's home page. In any case, I have grown weary of seeing ads for Ashley Madison or for "Inappropriate Photographs from the 1970s."

So yes...what used to be a daily visit reading new posts and replies and adding my comments where I thought I might have something to contribute has become a quick visit a couple of times a week...many times without even logging in. And maybe once a week or so logging in and making a comment or two, like this morning.

I feel that I am fortunate. I'm a member of a reasonably well-functioning local club and have met three art teachers at the local school where I substitute quite often. We have discovered that we get along well and are able to learn from each other. They have shared their artistic education to help me slowly develop a better vision for my photographs, and I have shared my technical knowledge helping them more easily and skillfully capture the images that they are seeking. In fact, one of them is jointly enrolled with me in a still life class offered by our club. She wants to apply what she learns to do a better job of product photography. I want to be better able to photograph scale models of railroad equipment. Our different perspectives and expectations from the class have truly enriched the experience for both of us. And guess what...we can discuss difficult topics from completely different perspectives without ever getting ugly or even upset with each other.

There have been a number of interesting replies to... (show quote)

Thanks Larry for giving us (all of us) a good kick in the rear, so to speak. I try to review the forum every couple of days, just to see if there's anything of interest with Nikon shooting experiences. As I implied, there are very few postings now where folks are sharing their experiences. I believe that this site has matured for me and I was looking for some other forums that our members are visiting. I would love to get some practical info and examples from folks using Topaz AI software, with some tips. I've been using it for almost a year now and it has become an incredible tool for improving my low light shots (where ISO is 12,000) in HS gyms. Unfortunately, I cannot share the results because these are still young kids below 18 and I don't want to lose my privileges with the school. I may have to leave here and venture out into parts unknown. Thanks.

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