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Jul 13, 2019 09:03:17   #
GreenReaper
 
lyndacast wrote:
I have a MacBook Air (2017) with 8G of Ram. I use it exclusively for photo editing with LR CC (Cloud version). I have 1 T of cloud storage on both LR AND google photos. I just started shootings in Raw and JPEG. I cannot upload photos because computer tells me I do not have enough memory in my hard drive. In total, I have less than 7,000 photos stored on that computer and only about 1,000 of them are both Raw and JPEG.

I am really frustrated. I will buy an external hard drive, but don’t I have to load photos onto computer first? or can I buy an external hard drive that will accept the SD card to store photos so I don’t have to put them all on the hard drive? I am soooo confused. Please help!
I have a MacBook Air (2017) with 8G of Ram. I us... (show quote)



I have not read all the comments, sorry if this is redundant. I have the same year and model as yours and I run PS and LR just fine. Your problem is not RAM but storage. If you click on the apple logo in the top left corner, you will get a drop down menu, select "About This Mac" you will have I think four items you can click on, click on "Storage" it will let you know what is utilizing your drive space, and will give you some options to increase it. A lot of my storage is taken up with "Documents", which seems to be a catch all. I'm still learning LR and every day is an adventure, some good, some not so good. I bought a WD Elements SE, 2 tb portable drive from OfficeDepot, inexpensive. I hope I have helped at least a little but. "Goodnight and good luck".

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Jul 13, 2019 09:12:23   #
GreenReaper
 
A quick reply about up loading. No you do not have to up load photos to your MB first. I copy the SD drive first, and then paste to a particular folder on my external drive, then I go into LR and do an import of the images that I want to process. There are other things that can be done so your image is not stored on your hard drive, you would have to research that part. Mike

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Jul 13, 2019 09:20:06   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
burkphoto wrote:
Last year, I swapped out a 1TB 5400 RPM drive and 8 GB RAM from my Late 2013 21.5” iMac for a 2TB SSD and 16 GB RAM. It was nerve wracking, but TOTALLY worth it. It’s like having a new machine.

Yes, it was major surgery and definitely not for the uninitiated. If curious, watch the videos at macsales.com, or read the Dozuki guides at iFixit.com.


I will keep this in mind, you and I have the same computers, mine is late 2013 8gb 1TB HD, I read through the service guide and it does look like something I could handle but then again it also looks a little nerve wracking as you said. I just recently picked up a 2015 MacBook Pro with i7 processor, 16gb Ram, and a 1TB SSD drive so I think that the MacBook will probably become my primary computer for processing. Having said that I did bookmark the iFixit repair guide page for that computer, upgrading the RAM for less than $150 sounds like it may be worth it. It is really disappointing that Apple made that computer so difficult to upgrade, on many of the other models it is as simple as removing a cover.

Thank you for providing the resource, I probably would not have know that such resources were out there. Not being a computer whiz I have to ask about replacing your storage, how did you reinstall the operating system when you replaced your HD?

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Jul 13, 2019 09:29:39   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
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Blurryeyed wrote:
I will keep this in mind, you and I have the same computers, mine is late 2013 8gb 1TB HD, I read through the service guide and it does look like something I could handle but then again it also looks a little nerve wracking as you said. I just recently picked up a 2015 MacBook Pro with i7 processor, 16gb Ram, and a 1TB SSD drive so I think that the MacBook will probably become my primary computer for processing. Having said that I did bookmark the iFixit repair guide page for that computer, upgrading the RAM for less than $150 sounds like it may be worth it. It is really disappointing that Apple made that computer so difficult to upgrade, on many of the other models it is as simple as removing a cover.

Thank you for providing the resource, I probably would not have know that such resources were out there.
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Macsales.com is Other World Computing. I’ve bought Mac upgrades from them since 1989. They are a wonderful source for upgrade parts like internal drives, RAM, and installation instructions, plus add-ons and accessories.

IFixit is similar, but they cover repair of a broader range of products. They champion the cause of user serviceability quite well, in the face of tech industry giants who want everything to be disposable.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:32:41   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
rjaywallace wrote:
Simple answer: as much RAM as your computer will allow.
Worth a call to the computer manufacturer to get their advice.


It depends on your operating system:

With Win 32 bit OS, you are limited to 4 GB RAM, unless you are running Win 7 Starter where you are limited to 2 GB RAM.

With Win 64 bit OS, you are limited to 192 GB RAM, unless you are running Win 7 Starter where you are limited to 2 GB RAM, Win 7 Home Basic where you are limited to 8 GB RAM, Win 7 Home Premium where you are limited to 16 GB RAM, Win 8.1 Pro or Enterprise where you are limited to 512 GB RAM, Win 10 Home where you are limited to 128 GB RAM, Win 10 Pro or Enterprise where you are limited to 512 GB RAM.

Any more RAM than above is about as useful as runway behind you...

Unless you are doing memory intensive work you will not likely need more than 8GB or possibly 16GB. I do some heavy mathematics (finite element stuff) and have 16GB in all my machines, and, have never noticed a 'slowdown'.

It also depends on the software you are using. Check with 8GB, then 16GB (8GB x 2) and see if there is a noticeable improvement... you likely won't notice one.

Dik

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Jul 13, 2019 09:42:44   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
wishaw wrote:
Bill gates said '640K of ram was enough for anybody' or didn't he


Yes, and PC's used to come with 20mb hard drives.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:42:55   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
lyndacast wrote:
I have a MacBook Air (2017) with 8G of Ram. I use it exclusively for photo editing with LR CC (Cloud version). I have 1 T of cloud storage on both LR AND google photos. I just started shootings in Raw and JPEG. I cannot upload photos because computer tells me I do not have enough memory in my hard drive. In total, I have less than 7,000 photos stored on that computer and only about 1,000 of them are both Raw and JPEG.

I am really frustrated. I will buy an external hard drive, but don’t I have to load photos onto computer first? or can I buy an external hard drive that will accept the SD card to store photos so I don’t have to put them all on the hard drive? I am soooo confused. Please help!
I have a MacBook Air (2017) with 8G of Ram. I us... (show quote)


Well, how much of your HDD is used (by everything installed or saved on your computer), and how much "free" space do you still have? Once you get down to about 1/3 of your total drive memory your computer may start coughing. Start there. RAM may have little to do with your problem(s). I would think 16GB is plenty to run Ps or Lr. How many files do you try to open at once? I have a PC with 32GB RAM and I see little difference between RAW, TIFF, PSD, and JPEG. Other than, sure JPEGs do their thing faster, they are compressed, smaller and lossy. I currently have 5,286 image files (97 GB) on my 1TB HDD, usually about a years worth at a time. All my images were shot and uploaded as RAW files. I later move photos to two duplicate external 2TB Drives. I generally process as RAW to PSD, TIFF, or JPG. I work with sRGB, 16-bit, 300ppi (PSD) images. And sometimes create 1.3 GB stitched panoramas and focus stacked images. Yes, those form a bit slow even with 32 GB RAM!

How much "memory" do you have allocated for PP Application use. Say in Ps or Lr the set up and preferences has places to set how much memory may be used while processing an image. I suspect something is wrong with the way you have Lr set up or something is wrong with your MacBook. You don't keep your Lr Thumbnails full-sized do you? There are things you can do wrong with Lr to make it literally freeze. Good luck.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:45:12   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Yes, and PC's used to come with 20mb hard drives.


I debated whether to get a 20MB or 30MB hard drive for my 286... The first frame program I wrote would run in 16K RAM using floppy disk 'swapping'.

Dik

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Jul 13, 2019 09:48:31   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
burkphoto wrote:
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Macsales.com is Other World Computing. I’ve bought Mac upgrades from them since 1989. They are a wonderful source for upgrade parts like internal drives, RAM, and installation instructions, plus add-ons and accessories.

IFixit is similar, but they cover repair of a broader range of products. They champion the cause of user serviceability quite well, in the face of tech industry giants who want everything to be disposable.


Well thanks for your suggestions, much appreciated, I really like my iMac and probably will do the upgrade somewhere down the road.

Funny thing about that computer is that when I bought it I was worried that because I purchased the 21.5" instead of the 27" that it may be a bit small.... Not at all, I can only imagine how working with the 27" screen must be because the 21.5 is plenty of screen for me.

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Jul 13, 2019 10:13:42   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Linda, in a way you led a few folks down the wrong path, or at least it seems that way. First off, RAM and hard drive size are two different things. The part with which I'm concerned is your comment, "...I do not have enough memory in my hard drive".

Now, couple that with your mentioning uploading photos and I'm going to suggest that you get an additional external drive and keep your photos stored on that. I'm not completely familiar with MacBook Air systems. I tend not to read about equipment unless I'm in the market to purchase something. So, I'm just going on your statement. Although 8G of RAM will probably work, it may not work efficiently.

Now, if you purchase an external drive, you'd transfer photos from your camera's memory card to that drive much the same way you'd transfer the files to the internal drive. Somewhat recently, I added an external drive to my iMac. I copied all of the image directory to that drive, verified that the files were there, and then deleted the image files from the internal drive. I'm currently using 12G of RAM. RAM is program related. Hard drives are storage related. So, my advice is to look into purchasing an external drive.
--Bob
lyndacast wrote:
I have a MacBook Air (2017) with 8G of Ram. I use it exclusively for photo editing with LR CC (Cloud version). I have 1 T of cloud storage on both LR AND google photos. I just started shootings in Raw and JPEG. I cannot upload photos because computer tells me I do not have enough memory in my hard drive. In total, I have less than 7,000 photos stored on that computer and only about 1,000 of them are both Raw and JPEG.

I am really frustrated. I will buy an external hard drive, but don’t I have to load photos onto computer first? or can I buy an external hard drive that will accept the SD card to store photos so I don’t have to put them all on the hard drive? I am soooo confused. Please help!
I have a MacBook Air (2017) with 8G of Ram. I us... (show quote)

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Jul 13, 2019 10:41:58   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
I am laughing because here we are discussing if 8GB / 1TB is sufficient. I got hold of an IBM XT at work, way back when dinosaurs roamed and it had.. get this a 10 MegB HD. 10 MB!!! I was in heaven. That was a lot at that time. And it had a new operating system that had the disk management software built in you didn't have to load it separate. That new OS was called DOS.

We have come a long way.

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Jul 13, 2019 11:07:55   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Geez, I remember those wonderful days. Wow!!! 10MB was more space than anyone could possibly need. I'll be able to work on this computer for the rest of my life and still have space left over. That was a long time ago.
--Bob
JD750 wrote:
I am laughing because here we are discussing if 8GB / 1TB is sufficient. I got hold of an IBM XT at work, way back when dinosaurs roamed and it had.. get this a 10 MegB HD. 10 MB!!! I was in heaven. That was a lot at that time. And it had a new operating system that had the disk management software built in you didn't have to load it separate. That new OS was called DOS.

We have come a long way.

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Jul 13, 2019 11:10:48   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
lyndacast wrote:
I have a MacBook Air (2017) with 8G of Ram. I use it exclusively for photo editing with LR CC (Cloud version). I have 1 T of cloud storage on both LR AND google photos. I just started shootings in Raw and JPEG. I cannot upload photos because computer tells me I do not have enough memory in my hard drive. In total, I have less than 7,000 photos stored on that computer and only about 1,000 of them are both Raw and JPEG.
I am really frustrated. I will buy an external hard drive, but don’t I have to load photos onto computer first? or can I buy an external hard drive that will accept the SD card to store photos so I don’t have to put them all on the hard drive? I am soooo confused. Please help!
I have a MacBook Air (2017) with 8G of Ram. I us... (show quote)


Apples and hamburgers. 8gb "RAM" should be sufficient- if nothing else is running, and you're not doing a lot of big files all at once. There are free utilities out there that can tell you your ram and cpu load.
Your Mac is telling you that your HDD is getting full. NOT a ram error. Try to keep 20% free at all times. IF you get an external HDD, it's a part of your computer- you don't have to load those files onto the "C:" drive before you load them onto the "F:" drive. You can put your SD card in and load directly from there to the external.
You may have only 7000 photos- but what else? Movies take up a lot of room.

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Jul 13, 2019 11:16:04   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
rmalarz wrote:
Geez, I remember those wonderful days. Wow!!! 10MB was more space than anyone could possibly need. I'll be able to work on this computer for the rest of my life and still have space left over. That was a long time ago.
--Bob


Babies.
I had a Northstar computer. No hard drive (cost more than the computer did).
Operating system AND programs AND data files- all on one floppy disk.
Almost all modern keyboard shortcuts were derived from Weirdstar.

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Jul 13, 2019 11:19:48   #
Kaib795 Loc: Maryland, USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
You need more ram to process jpegs and tiffs than you do for raw files. Lightroom will work just fine with 8 gb ram, provided that ram is not shared for graphics - in other words you'd need a discrete graphics card with it's own vram.

Storage space is not the same as ram. If you don't have enough hard drive space you'll need to add more storage space, and an external drive is what you will need to get. You will attach your card reader to the computer, and load the images onto the external drive using the computer, as if it were internal storage. Lightroom doesn't care whether your storage that is part of your computer is internal or external.

TriX's advice is on drives 100% solid - follow it.

A tip: unless there is a really compelling reason to shoot raw+jpeg - don't. it wastes space and prevents you from leveraging the full benefit of shoot raw. In many high contrast situations, a correct exposure for raw will often yield an unusable jpeg.

See the two versions of the same file below - first is the unprocessed raw file - which is the "best" exposure for a jpeg. Any more exposure I would have lost the sky, any less the walls and walkway would have been lost. If I had only jpeg to work with, I would have not wasted my time taking the shot. As it is, there is nothing remarkable about it - but there are many situations where you have wide dynamic range where a raw file, exposed correctly for highlights - as this was - will result in a decent image. Something to think about.

I would also consider a more suitable computer for editing images. If you are married to the Apple ecosystem, but you need portability, a MacBook Pro with 32 gb ram (in the event you will start using Photoshop) is what you'd want. Cost is almost always a factor to consider with Mac gear - it runs about 50% more than a similar performing Windows computer - be it laptop or desktop. But the Apple stuff sure is cool-looking. . .

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All great comments.

I'm also a histogram to the right shooter with my RAW files. Cheers

I'm in the process of making a, I hope, final desktop tower to do my edits on. My beefed up HP ProBooks are nice machines but I really have to bite the bullet and build a new computer with massive power and storage. This one will be using a beQuiet Dark Base Pro 900 orange case with room to do anything (full size case). Just waiting for the slew of parts to arrive. Even bumped my son's computer up from a i5 to a i7 6700. When I get it done I'll let you know what is in it and have pictures of the beast. LOL

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