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Jul 12, 2019 18:29:04   #
Metis407 Loc: Canada
 
Canon pixma 8720. Great quality. 19 by 13 size. Very pleased with it!!

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Jul 12, 2019 18:33:39   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
burkphoto wrote:
The key to inexpensive inkjet printing is *not to do it*! Printer ink is like Polaroid film was... They gave away the camera to get you to use the film! (Gillette was the razor company that gave you a razor so they could sell blades, and marketers world-wide copied them.)

That said, for most people, a cheap inkjet printer *for photos* is really a good professional color lab. There are dozens of them all over the USA. No printer to buy, no ink to go bad... for small print quantities, they are a good option. Just calibrate and profile your monitor, and get the lab's printer profile installed in your system.

If inkjet printing of photos isn't cheap, what's it good for?

Privacy
Permanence
Immediacy and Convenience
Color accuracy (if you understand color correction and color management)
Choice of print surfaces (TONS more choices than a lab can offer)
Control over the process

There is a HUGE difference between PHOTO inkjet printers and general purpose SOHO (small office/home office) inkjet printers and multifunction scanner/printer/copier/fax units. Photo inkjet printers use more than four inks, usually six or more, supplied in individual cartridges. When one runs out, you change just that one.

There are dye ink printers and pigment ink printers. Dye inks tend to be capable of greater mid-tone and highlight subtlety, but pigment inks last at least twice as long. (Properly made PHOTO inkjet prints last two to five times longer than conventional silver halide wet process prints made by traditional photo labs.) Smaller photo printers are inexpensive to buy, but more expensive to operate. Larger inkjet printers feature larger ink cartridges. The cartridges cost a lot, but the cost per print is much lower.

SOHO printers come in several flavors. The cheap ones are the most expensive to run if you need any quantity of prints. They use a black cartridge and a separate 3-color (YMC) cartridge. Better ones use four *individual* ink cartridges. Epson makes some EcoTank printers that refill from much larger bottles. They are very economical office printers for documents. Photos are cheap, too, but only so-so quality.

A great bargain in photo printers is the Canon Pro-100. Lots of UHH users have them and swear by them. You can usually find them on sale at ridiculous prices, often bundled with paper or a camera. They print with photo quality dye inks up to 13" by 19". Epson makes pigment photo printers that cost more, but if you want the ultimate print longevity, they are my pick.

You can mitigate the cost of inkjet printing by using third party consumables. HOWEVER, caveat emptor! (Buyer beware.) Some third party inks fade rapidly upon exposure to light, heat, or airborne pollutants. I won't use them, as I've clogged too many printers with them to risk it. Third party inks tend to produce off-color photos, too, so you need custom ICC profiles to work with them.

OEM inks are made for your printer. Epson and Canon and HP all use different print head technologies, so it's important to use ink made for your brand of printer. Some UHH users have had better experiences with certain brand combinations, however.

Third party papers ARE generally a good deal. There are some great papers from Moab, Red River, Harmon Galerie, Hahnemuhle, and others. The key to getting great results with your printer, OEM ink, and a third party paper is to download and install the appropriate ICC profile for THAT exact combination of printer model and paper.

One very important key to getting great prints is to use a hardware/software kit from Datacolor or X-Rite to calibrate your printer and make a custom ICC profile for it. Do that right, and your prints will match your monitor quite closely. THAT makes color adjustment with post-processing software an efficient process! It saves time, ink, paper, and allows you to get what you see.

I think you need to decide what you must have and would like to have in a printer. If your primary goal is great photos, but you need an occasional document, a photo printer will work best. If your primary goal is printing Word documents, and you only print photos on special occasions, get a multi-function unit.

Choose Epson or Canon... But where's HP in all this? I haven't used an HP printer I liked since the late 1990s. That doesn't mean they don't make some good ones, just that I haven't had a good recent history with them.

Good luck!
The key to inexpensive inkjet printing is *not to ... (show quote)


Agreed, however between the availability of custom labs, mass market labs,(Walgreens etc.) and a good MFC I don't need to buy another high end photo dedicated printer and deal with the expensive inks, now your situation and needs may vary, I'm within 10 minutes with traffic of two mass market labs, and if the results are not up to my standard I don't have to pay for their attempt.

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Jul 12, 2019 19:24:29   #
larry wright Loc: SW OHIO
 
New Catridges is where their profit is at 4000 dollars a gallon.

Since 2012 ALL printer companies ======= made a chip in each their OWN cartidges to to tell you buy more ink from only them as other carts usually will not work in their name brand printer.
It is outrageous. That way you buy a new cheap printer every year because the ink costs the same as the printer on sale.
I stay with an old Canon made in 2003, works evertime at cost of less than one cent per page instead of 25 AND 50 CENTS PER PAGE OF ALL OTHERS ON MARKET NOW.
Larry

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Jul 12, 2019 19:52:06   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
burkphoto wrote:
The key to inexpensive inkjet printing is *not to do it*! Printer ink is like Polaroid film was... They gave away the camera to get you to use the film! (Gillette was the razor company that gave you a razor so they could sell blades, and marketers world-wide copied them.)

That said, for most people, a cheap inkjet printer *for photos* is really a good professional color lab. There are dozens of them all over the USA. No printer to buy, no ink to go bad... for small print quantities, they are a good option. Just calibrate and profile your monitor, and get the lab's printer profile installed in your system.

If inkjet printing of photos isn't cheap, what's it good for?

Privacy
Permanence
Immediacy and Convenience
Color accuracy (if you understand color correction and color management)
Choice of print surfaces (TONS more choices than a lab can offer)
Control over the process

There is a HUGE difference between PHOTO inkjet printers and general purpose SOHO (small office/home office) inkjet printers and multifunction scanner/printer/copier/fax units. Photo inkjet printers use more than four inks, usually six or more, supplied in individual cartridges. When one runs out, you change just that one.

There are dye ink printers and pigment ink printers. Dye inks tend to be capable of greater mid-tone and highlight subtlety, but pigment inks last at least twice as long. (Properly made PHOTO inkjet prints last two to five times longer than conventional silver halide wet process prints made by traditional photo labs.) Smaller photo printers are inexpensive to buy, but more expensive to operate. Larger inkjet printers feature larger ink cartridges. The cartridges cost a lot, but the cost per print is much lower.

SOHO printers come in several flavors. The cheap ones are the most expensive to run if you need any quantity of prints. They use a black cartridge and a separate 3-color (YMC) cartridge. Better ones use four *individual* ink cartridges. Epson makes some EcoTank printers that refill from much larger bottles. They are very economical office printers for documents. Photos are cheap, too, but only so-so quality.

A great bargain in photo printers is the Canon Pro-100. Lots of UHH users have them and swear by them. You can usually find them on sale at ridiculous prices, often bundled with paper or a camera. They print with photo quality dye inks up to 13" by 19". Epson makes pigment photo printers that cost more, but if you want the ultimate print longevity, they are my pick.

You can mitigate the cost of inkjet printing by using third party consumables. HOWEVER, caveat emptor! (Buyer beware.) Some third party inks fade rapidly upon exposure to light, heat, or airborne pollutants. I won't use them, as I've clogged too many printers with them to risk it. Third party inks tend to produce off-color photos, too, so you need custom ICC profiles to work with them.

OEM inks are made for your printer. Epson and Canon and HP all use different print head technologies, so it's important to use ink made for your brand of printer. Some UHH users have had better experiences with certain brand combinations, however.

Third party papers ARE generally a good deal. There are some great papers from Moab, Red River, Harmon Galerie, Hahnemuhle, and others. The key to getting great results with your printer, OEM ink, and a third party paper is to download and install the appropriate ICC profile for THAT exact combination of printer model and paper.

One very important key to getting great prints is to use a hardware/software kit from Datacolor or X-Rite to calibrate your printer and make a custom ICC profile for it. Do that right, and your prints will match your monitor quite closely. THAT makes color adjustment with post-processing software an efficient process! It saves time, ink, paper, and allows you to get what you see.

I think you need to decide what you must have and would like to have in a printer. If your primary goal is great photos, but you need an occasional document, a photo printer will work best. If your primary goal is printing Word documents, and you only print photos on special occasions, get a multi-function unit.

Choose Epson or Canon... But where's HP in all this? I haven't used an HP printer I liked since the late 1990s. That doesn't mean they don't make some good ones, just that I haven't had a good recent history with them.

Good luck!
The key to inexpensive inkjet printing is *not to ... (show quote)


All good information there.

Did you see what I wrote about HP? "I gave up on HP products years ago. Their Printers and PCs crap out.
In ancient times they made good stuff like HP 10c, 11c, 12c, 15c pocket calculators (1980s) and HP LaserJet 4 (something) printers (~1994)."

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Jul 12, 2019 19:58:26   #
rgorman57 Loc: New York
 
gvarner wrote:
Newer printers are relatively cheap, ink is not. If it’s only a few good prints you’re looking for, consider a commercial printing service. I’m satisfied with what my HP 440 does for my few color prints.


I have been using refilled cartridges from LD.com for more than 10 years. In that time I have saved several hundred dollars on ink. I have only had 2 bad cartridges out of more than 50 cartidges. I am happy with the
print quality. Their customer service is excellent.

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Jul 12, 2019 20:48:51   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
lamiaceae wrote:
All good information there.

Did you see what I wrote about HP? "I gave up on HP products years ago. Their Printers and PCs crap out.
In ancient times they made good stuff like HP 10c, 11c, 12c, 15c pocket calculators (1980s) and HP LaserJet 4 (something) printers (~1994)."
All good information there. img src="https://st... (show quote)


Agreed. Same experience here. The big Laserjet 5 was the last HP laser I liked.

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Jul 12, 2019 20:52:00   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bobmcculloch wrote:
Agreed, however between the availability of custom labs, mass market labs,(Walgreens etc.) and a good MFC I don't need to buy another high end photo dedicated printer and deal with the expensive inks, now your situation and needs may vary, I'm within 10 minutes with traffic of two mass market labs, and if the results are not up to my standard I don't have to pay for their attempt.


Agreed. With remote order entry systems, you can upload image files to your lab and receive prints back by mail.

For those without serious needs for inkjet prints, labs are easy solutions.

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Jul 12, 2019 21:19:38   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
burkphoto wrote:
Agreed. With remote order entry systems, you can upload image files to your lab and receive prints back by mail.

For those without serious needs for inkjet prints, labs are easy solutions.


To each his own with no judgements from me. I personally use a lab for prints larger than 13" x 19", but for some prints, I just don't want to give up control over the process and I love to see the result of my labors in print immediately after PP. Both my monitor and printer are calibrated using an X-rite i1 Studio and have verified with a spectrophotometer that the prints off my Epson XP-15000, a lower priced 6 cartridge photo printer, are more accurate than what comes back from the well respected lab I use. I know it's not all that important because my prints and the lab prints are close to each other and virtually all my images are for pleasing color, not precise matches, but I have spent a lot of money on high end bodies and glass and want to carry that quality through to my prints.

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Jul 12, 2019 22:57:06   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Strodav wrote:
To each his own with no judgements from me. I personally use a lab for prints larger than 13" x 19", but for some prints, I just don't want to give up control over the process and I love to see the result of my labors in print immediately after PP. Both my monitor and printer are calibrated using an X-rite i1 Studio and have verified with a spectrophotometer that the prints off my Epson XP-15000, a lower priced 6 cartridge photo printer, are more accurate than what comes back from the well respected lab I use. I know it's not all that important because my prints and the lab prints are close to each other and virtually all my images are for pleasing color, not precise matches, but I have spent a lot of money on high end bodies and glass and want to carry that quality through to my prints.
To each his own with no judgements from me. I per... (show quote)




Inkjet is all about control, precision, print longevity, maximum color gamut (fidelity), privacy, and variety of papers and other substrates.

I worked in a pro lab for decades. Our mainstream prints were made on 40 mini-lab printers, but our best (and largest) prints were made on several Epsons (9600, 9880...).

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Jul 13, 2019 06:00:59   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Canon Pixma Pro 100

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Jul 13, 2019 11:21:05   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Cheap inkjets have a game.
Buy one with decent reviews, on sale.
Buy one set of cartridges, usually at a discount, with the printer.
Unless you really love this printer- donate it when those carts empty out.
The next upgraded one is about to be on sale.

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Jul 13, 2019 11:45:23   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Harry0 wrote:
Cheap inkjets have a game.
Buy one with decent reviews, on sale.
Buy one set of cartridges, usually at a discount, with the printer.
Unless you really love this printer- donate it when those carts empty out.
The next upgraded one is about to be on sale.


Definitely an option.

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Jul 13, 2019 12:22:17   #
craneman
 
My HP printer does photos as good as I have seen anywhere. For $3.00 per month I can print 50 pages and they can be black and white documents or 8×10 color photos. When the ink gets low, the printer orders more ink. Instant ink is the name of the program. I am completely satisfied with it.

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Jul 13, 2019 15:03:57   #
Bill P
 
You want a good cheap printer? remember the old saying, you can have it quick, good, or cheap. Pick two

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Jul 13, 2019 15:09:33   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
It also depends on how many nits are in the photos or printer.

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