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Is Canon Making a Mistake with their Emphasis on the Development of the RF L lens line?
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Jul 3, 2019 20:30:39   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
The also have new lenses on the way leading off with a revolutionary 70-200mm f/2.8 that is 1/2 the size of the 70-200 Mk III.


This is will be one of the attractions of RF lenses !
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Jul 3, 2019 21:00:07   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Good question: "where does that leave the Canon faithful who are dedicated to their DSLRs?"

I sense that Canon shooters will continue using their DSLRs and their associated lenses for quite a while, given that image quality has not significantly advanced with mirrorless cameras -- certainly not enough to justify switching at great cost from one to the other.

The sales hype, the sell-jobs, and the little army of shills (covert and overt) working for the Canon marketing department will continue to laud mirrorless as if the latest and greatest.

For my part, I presently have zero interest in buying another mirrorless camera. I did buy an early Fuji mirrorless camera and liked its images and its operation. Even now, however, it seems more akin to a novelty.
Blurryeyed wrote:
Personally I have a Canon R, but I also own several Canon EF L lenses and Sigma EF Art lenses. What I have observed from Canon is that they are rolling out some significant RF lenses that are optically superior to their EF counterparts however at the same time the Canon R has not had near the success that the 5DMkIV has enjoyed, already Canon has dropped the price of the R in what I can only assume is an effort to attract more sales.

The problems I see are several, one is that many photographers are just not ready to make the move to mirrorless especially those who shoot sports action or action in nature because of the focus tracking and momentary loss of the EVF during shooting. The R is not considered to be a professional level camera because of a few missing features such as a second card slot and dials. And lastly the expense of the new RF line, so far only one lens has been produced in the $500 range, one in the $1000 range, and the others are between $2000 and $3000 and we are not even talking about their big Whites yet as they have not been yet produced and probably will be the last lenses they produce in that line because of the tracking problems.

I guess my question is that with so much emphasis being placed on the RF lenses, where does that leave the Canon faithful who are dedicated to their DSLRs?
Personally I have a Canon R, but I also own severa... (show quote)

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Jul 4, 2019 02:34:11   #
JhnMhn
 
I read so many negative opinions about the EOS R, it's "not a professional camera", and all the other things it can't do. I'm a pro making my entire income from photography. The Canon R works wonderfully for me. This includes wildlife, I just photographed moving loons with a Canon 100-400II lens with the adapter on my R with very satisfactory results. Focus peaking is a godsend when using TSE lenses, so much easier to place focus where I want it when tilting the lens. The manual focus aids are so superior to my DSLRs. And no need for AFMA, AF accuracy and consistency are way more reliable focussing directly off the sensor. I have better focus results with my adapted EF lenses on the R than on my DSLRs. Then there is in-the-viewfinder live histogram, etc., etc., etc. While a little larger than some other mirrorless offerings, the R with RF 24-105 is significantly lighter and smaller than Canon's full frame DSLR counterpart, a very appreciated loss in bulk and weight in my work.The adapter allows me to use my EF lenses allowing time to wait for the RF lenses to come and make a gradual transition as needs and available $ dictate. For me, the R is very much a professional camera and my DSLRs are heading off to ebay.

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Jul 4, 2019 07:34:10   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
JhnMhn wrote:
I read so many negative opinions about the EOS R, it's "not a professional camera", and all the other things it can't do. I'm a pro making my entire income from photography. The Canon R works wonderfully for me. This includes wildlife, I just photographed moving loons with a Canon 100-400II lens with the adapter on my R with very satisfactory results. Focus peaking is a godsend when using TSE lenses, so much easier to place focus where I want it when tilting the lens. The manual focus aids are so superior to my DSLRs. And no need for AFMA, AF accuracy and consistency are way more reliable focussing directly off the sensor. I have better focus results with my adapted EF lenses on the R than on my DSLRs. Then there is in-the-viewfinder live histogram, etc., etc., etc. While a little larger than some other mirrorless offerings, the R with RF 24-105 is significantly lighter and smaller than Canon's full frame DSLR counterpart, a very appreciated loss in bulk and weight in my work.The adapter allows me to use my EF lenses allowing time to wait for the RF lenses to come and make a gradual transition as needs and available $ dictate. For me, the R is very much a professional camera and my DSLRs are heading off to ebay.
I read so many negative opinions about the EOS R, ... (show quote)



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Jul 4, 2019 07:34:43   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
JhnMhn wrote:
I read so many negative opinions about the EOS R, it's "not a professional camera", and all the other things it can't do. I'm a pro making my entire income from photography. The Canon R works wonderfully for me. This includes wildlife, I just photographed moving loons with a Canon 100-400II lens with the adapter on my R with very satisfactory results. Focus peaking is a godsend when using TSE lenses, so much easier to place focus where I want it when tilting the lens. The manual focus aids are so superior to my DSLRs. And no need for AFMA, AF accuracy and consistency are way more reliable focussing directly off the sensor. I have better focus results with my adapted EF lenses on the R than on my DSLRs. Then there is in-the-viewfinder live histogram, etc., etc., etc. While a little larger than some other mirrorless offerings, the R with RF 24-105 is significantly lighter and smaller than Canon's full frame DSLR counterpart, a very appreciated loss in bulk and weight in my work.The adapter allows me to use my EF lenses allowing time to wait for the RF lenses to come and make a gradual transition as needs and available $ dictate. For me, the R is very much a professional camera and my DSLRs are heading off to ebay.
I read so many negative opinions about the EOS R, ... (show quote)



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Jul 4, 2019 10:54:01   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
As usual, myth, misinformation and outright denial have been presented again in an effort to wish away the superior mirrorless platform and the related lens releases. Note the only slight rewording before the regurgitation: Myths about mirrorless cameras

See Jerry's post today, the market is already speaking to the vendors (or maybe vise versa): https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-599246-1.html

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Jul 4, 2019 11:44:15   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Again, dear Reader, note the absence of comparing image quality produced by DSLRs and mirrorless cameras.

For now, anyhow, the gain from mirrorless cameras over the DSLR goes to size, weight, and technical operation.

Yes, the RF lenses may offer a noticeable improvement over DSLR lenses. But each photographer will have to evaluate if the added expense of switching to mirrorless photography gear justifies itself.
JhnMhn wrote:
I read so many negative opinions about the EOS R, it's "not a professional camera", and all the other things it can't do. I'm a pro making my entire income from photography. The Canon R works wonderfully for me. This includes wildlife, I just photographed moving loons with a Canon 100-400II lens with the adapter on my R with very satisfactory results. Focus peaking is a godsend when using TSE lenses, so much easier to place focus where I want it when tilting the lens. The manual focus aids are so superior to my DSLRs. And no need for AFMA, AF accuracy and consistency are way more reliable focussing directly off the sensor. I have better focus results with my adapted EF lenses on the R than on my DSLRs. Then there is in-the-viewfinder live histogram, etc., etc., etc. While a little larger than some other mirrorless offerings, the R with RF 24-105 is significantly lighter and smaller than Canon's full frame DSLR counterpart, a very appreciated loss in bulk and weight in my work.The adapter allows me to use my EF lenses allowing time to wait for the RF lenses to come and make a gradual transition as needs and available $ dictate. For me, the R is very much a professional camera and my DSLRs are heading off to ebay.
I read so many negative opinions about the EOS R, ... (show quote)

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Jul 4, 2019 11:46:49   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If they weren't better, they wouldn't be more expensive ....

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Jul 4, 2019 18:24:38   #
User ID
 
imagemeister wrote:

Canon had to change the mount and redesign
lenses ! - mostly because Nikon and every one
else did. Even now, Nikon's S series lenses
surpass any and all of Canon's R series
(resolution ) - and folks, I am NOT a Nikon
guy - but that is the reality !
.


Resolution is a hugely over rated test result
- but that is reality !

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Jul 5, 2019 01:29:45   #
JhnMhn
 
I can enjoy geeking out on equipment as much as anyone, but my equipment is not to blame when my images are unsatisfactory, I am. The image quality of my Canon R is indistinguishable from my DSLRs (actually it appears a tad bit better in ways I can't quantify). The reasons I prefer it to DSLRs are enumerated in my previous post.
The resolution differences between any brand's better lenses and similar pixel density sensors are vanishingly small. We are blessed with an embarrasement of richs with our current photographic tools.
If we are not creating engaging, detailed images, we have only ourselves to blame, not our choice of camera or lens manufacturer. Arguments over resolution superiority of the better equipment between any of the major brands reminds me of the theological arguments over how many angels can fit on the head of a needle...neither relates to real life.

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Jul 5, 2019 06:52:24   #
Haydon
 
JhnMhn wrote:
I can enjoy geeking out on equipment as much as anyone, but my equipment is not to blame when my images are unsatisfactory, I am. The image quality of my Canon R is indistinguishable from my DSLRs (actually it appears a tad bit better in ways I can't quantify). The reasons I prefer it to DSLRs are enumerated in my previous post.
The resolution differences between any brand's better lenses and similar pixel density sensors are vanishingly small. We are blessed with an embarrasement of richs with our current photographic tools.
If we are not creating engaging, detailed images, we have only ourselves to blame, not our choice of camera or lens manufacturer. Arguments over resolution superiority of the better equipment between any of the major brands reminds me of the theological arguments over how many angels can fit on the head of a needle...neither relates to real life.
I can enjoy geeking out on equipment as much as an... (show quote)


Great post!

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Jul 5, 2019 07:25:06   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Resolution like other factors is relative. To me high resolution was 6” in a 30 by 30 kilometer frame. But that was a military satellite system that was being replaced over 20 years ago. I agree that we are living in a time of tremendous capabilities in even modest cameras today.

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Jul 5, 2019 09:25:31   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Every time I see the letters D X O, I stop reading and consider blocking the author ...




DxO is very useful for all the 10s of photographers who photograph in laboratories. They produce marginally useful information that is significant if you have already checked details like quality AF systems , available lenses, real world performance, ergonomics, etc... and how all of that works for the type of photography YOU do. After all of that if you end up at a tie DxO might be a tie breaker. But this is a situation which I have never encountered and never heard of anyone else encountering. By the time you have identified the kind of system you need, a marginal sensor advantage is not going to help much.

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Jul 5, 2019 10:19:59   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Personally I have a Canon R, but I also own several Canon EF L lenses and Sigma EF Art lenses. What I have observed from Canon is that they are rolling out some significant RF lenses that are optically superior to their EF counterparts however at the same time the Canon R has not had near the success that the 5DMkIV has enjoyed, already Canon has dropped the price of the R in what I can only assume is an effort to attract more sales.

The problems I see are several, one is that many photographers are just not ready to make the move to mirrorless especially those who shoot sports action or action in nature because of the focus tracking and momentary loss of the EVF during shooting. The R is not considered to be a professional level camera because of a few missing features such as a second card slot and dials. And lastly the expense of the new RF line, so far only one lens has been produced in the $500 range, one in the $1000 range, and the others are between $2000 and $3000 and we are not even talking about their big Whites yet as they have not been yet produced and probably will be the last lenses they produce in that line because of the tracking problems.

I guess my question is that with so much emphasis being placed on the RF lenses, where does that leave the Canon faithful who are dedicated to their DSLRs?
Personally I have a Canon R, but I also own severa... (show quote)


Perhaps this will win you over to the dark side.
The new RF 24-240mm.
https://www.canonrumors.com/pricing-for-the-new-powershot-g-series-cameras-and-new-rf-24-240mm-f-4-6-3-is-have-leaked/

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