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Jun 30, 2019 10:09:23   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
Canonuser wrote:
Ladies, put your hand bags down before someone gets seriously hurt or offended.
I’ve driven many thousands of miles on both sides of the road and don’t give a shit about it as long as the steering wheel is on the right when I’m driving on the left and on the left when I’m driving on the right.
Anyone seeing a problem with either should perhaps not be driving at all.



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Jun 30, 2019 10:34:43   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
Abo wrote:
I was reading the topic "When You Pass someone on the road" posted by Tim S.

The Left Hand Drive Versus Right Hand Drive issue soon arose.
Those who drive on the left supported their native situation
and those who drive on the right supported that.

And the reasoning did not go beyond, we drive on this side of the road, so it must be the best
way to do it.

Which contains no logic or reason really. Saying, "I do it this way, makes this way right",
fails as soon as it is countered with, "I do it the other way, makes the other way right".

1+minus1=0

I drive on the left side of the road in a RHD vehicle. I believe it's the better way, not just
because that's the way it is down here, but because of a darn good reason.

And that is; most people are right handed which means when we let go of the steering
to change gears our dominant right hand remains on the steering wheel to steer the car.

If you think that is insignificant try writing with your left hand or using a hammer in your
left hand.

And all you lefties out there, pipe down. You think it would be better for most people
to have less control over their cars than the least amount of people to have less control over their car?

Sorry USA/Continental Europe, but you got it wrong.
I was reading the topic "When You Pass someon... (show quote)


One thing you said makes no sense at all. If you have to choose which hand is on the steering wheel and which alters the gears, you need more dexterity to alter the gears than you do to steer. Therefore, if you are right-handed it's better to use your right hand to change the gears. Steering is easy with the left hand. In which case, driving on the right is easier.

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Jun 30, 2019 10:45:43   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
Abo wrote:
I was reading the topic "When You Pass someone on the road" posted by Tim S.

The Left Hand Drive Versus Right Hand Drive issue soon arose.
Those who drive on the left supported their native situation
and those who drive on the right supported that.

And the reasoning did not go beyond, we drive on this side of the road, so it must be the best
way to do it.

Which contains no logic or reason really. Saying, "I do it this way, makes this way right",
fails as soon as it is countered with, "I do it the other way, makes the other way right".

1+minus1=0

I drive on the left side of the road in a RHD vehicle. I believe it's the better way, not just
because that's the way it is down here, but because of a darn good reason.

And that is; most people are right handed which means when we let go of the steering
to change gears our dominant right hand remains on the steering wheel to steer the car.

If you think that is insignificant try writing with your left hand or using a hammer in your
left hand.

And all you lefties out there, pipe down. You think it would be better for most people
to have less control over their cars than the least amount of people to have less control over their car?

Sorry USA/Continental Europe, but you got it wrong.
I was reading the topic "When You Pass someon... (show quote)


It's no fun when you drive a RHD car in a LHD country. You're so close to the side of the road it's scary, let alone dangerous.
I experienced it from England to Europe. Takes some concentration. Give me Aus anyday.

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Jun 30, 2019 10:50:46   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
IIRC, the US switched to RHD *BECAUSE* the British were LHD, back @ 1800 or so.
Just to be independent.

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Jun 30, 2019 10:56:21   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
TriX wrote:
Actually I prefer my dominant hand to change gears, which on many cars, requires more precision and muscular coordination than holding onto a steering wheel. To each his own.

Cheers


I'm with you, TRIX!! From 1953 - 2000 I drove in cars with manual transmissions. My left hand was on the steering wheel. For steering cars, even now with auto transmissions, it is my dominant hand. I seldom drive with my right hand on the steering wheel - left hand almost exclusively. To each his own.
Mark

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Jun 30, 2019 11:02:57   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Abo wrote:
A NASCAR is not a "race/ing car".

"Race/ing" cars are single seat, and purpose built for racing and NOT based on a car that could be used for public roads as is the NASCAR premise.

And "Racing Cars" definitely do not have doors, or in a NASCARs case, the semblance of doors.

A "racing car" with a window, LOL.


I would say any car purpose built for racing, and not being able to drive on the street, are "Racing Cars".

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Jun 30, 2019 11:06:09   #
EdJ0307 Loc: out west someplace
 
Abo wrote:
I was reading the topic "When You Pass someone on the road" posted by Tim S.

The Left Hand Drive Versus Right Hand Drive issue soon arose.
Those who drive on the left supported their native situation
and those who drive on the right supported that.

And the reasoning did not go beyond, we drive on this side of the road, so it must be the best
way to do it.

Which contains no logic or reason really. Saying, "I do it this way, makes this way right",
fails as soon as it is countered with, "I do it the other way, makes the other way right".

1+minus1=0

I drive on the left side of the road in a RHD vehicle. I believe it's the better way, not just
because that's the way it is down here, but because of a darn good reason.

And that is; most people are right handed which means when we let go of the steering
to change gears our dominant right hand remains on the steering wheel to steer the car.

If you think that is insignificant try writing with your left hand or using a hammer in your
left hand.

And all you lefties out there, pipe down. You think it would be better for most people
to have less control over their cars than the least amount of people to have less control over their car?

Sorry USA/Continental Europe, but you got it wrong.
I was reading the topic "When You Pass someon... (show quote)
You have me convinced. If you need any assistance converting the rest of the world to right-hand-drive let me know how I can help. BTW, when we have the rest of the world converted and all those LHD cars are replaced with RHD what do we do with those millions of trashed cars?

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Jun 30, 2019 11:06:25   #
clickety
 
Abo wrote:
I was reading the topic "When You Pass someone on the road" posted by Tim S.

The Left Hand Drive Versus Right Hand Drive issue soon arose.
Those who drive on the left supported their native situation
and those who drive on the right supported that.

And the reasoning did not go beyond, we drive on this side of the road, so it must be the best
way to do it.

Which contains no logic or reason really. Saying, "I do it this way, makes this way right",
fails as soon as it is countered with, "I do it the other way, makes the other way right".

1+minus1=0

I drive on the left side of the road in a RHD vehicle. I believe it's the better way, not just
because that's the way it is down here, but because of a darn good reason.

And that is; most people are right handed which means when we let go of the steering
to change gears our dominant right hand remains on the steering wheel to steer the car.

If you think that is insignificant try writing with your left hand or using a hammer in your
left hand.

And all you lefties out there, pipe down. You think it would be better for most people
to have less control over their cars than the least amount of people to have less control over their car?

Sorry USA/Continental Europe, but you got it wrong.
I was reading the topic "When You Pass someon... (show quote)


The only serious consideration is that the DRIVER be positioned NEXT TO THE CENTER LINE of the highway all else is superfluous chatter.

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Jun 30, 2019 11:21:20   #
Earnest Botello Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
Abo wrote:
Race cars are driven from the center not the left or the right.

Touring cars, sports cars, etc are best driven from the left seat at anticlockwise tracks.
and the right seat at clockwise tracks.


SCCA and IMSA licences are only local North American licences.

And the "I" in IMSA that stands for International is a grandiose false hood
because Imsa is only a sanctioning body for competition in North America.

There's been some talent that's come up through SCCA; however there's
bulk with an SCCA licence that could not drive a greasy stick up a pigs arse...
and from the horse feathers you've been talking, I'm getting the feeling you are
one of the latter.


I have an FIA open competition licence.. That is a licence to race internationally issued by
the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile. (as well as a Confederation of Australian Motorsport licence). And have won more competitions than you've had roast pototoes.

I'm the instructor that instructs the instructors who instruct race car drivers.

And apart from that Tri X the thread is about driving on public roads,
where there is the opportunity for right hand traffic and left hand traffic differences.
And in that scenario there is, unlike serious motorsport, oncoming traffic.

Having said that, I've watched the figure 8 car races (only in america... i hope) where there
is a cross road intersection for the drivers to negotiate. As entertaining as that is
I reckon it would be simpler just to have an oval and have half the field go clockwise
and the other half anticlockwise. ;-D
Race cars are driven from the center not the left ... (show quote)


Le Mans prototypes are real purpose built race cars, they have windows, doors and two seats and go well over 200 mph. If they are not race cars, nothing is.

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Jun 30, 2019 11:32:40   #
bgrn Loc: Pleasant Grove UT
 
Personally.....I prefer my left knee, leaves both hands free so I can eat my hamburger and fries 😋

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Jun 30, 2019 11:40:14   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
bgrn wrote:
Personally.....I prefer my left knee, leaves both hands free so I can eat my hamburger and fries 😋


Didya know there's a bracket for the steering wheel so you can use your laptop too?
That way you can keep your phone hand ready.

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Jun 30, 2019 11:40:50   #
Orson Burleigh Loc: Annapolis, Maryland, USA
 
Frayud wrote:
If you want a real driving thrill go to Burma where they switched from right hand drive to left a few years ago by government decree. However the government failed to take one fact into consideration: The Japanese dump their right hand drive used cars and trucks into that market and many of their roads are 2 lane and filled with carts, trucks, busses, farm animals and conveyances (small tractors which can be ridden themselves or pull a wagon or implement), and people walking or acting as beasts of burden themselves. Many of the tour busses use assistant drivers to the left of the actual driver.
If you want a real driving thrill go to Burma wher... (show quote)


A PCS (permanent change of station) assignment in the late '80s and early '90s included transport of one personally owned vehicle to Thailand: I took a stick shift 1985 VW GTI setup with steering-wheel on the left side for U.S. standard driving on the right side.

The left hand driving position seemed to have some advantages when driving in Bangkok: most of the challenges (radically mixed-speed urban vehicular traffic, push-carts, road-side vendors, badly parked vehicles, etcetera) were on or near the side of the road and could be more easily monitored from the left hand driving position; The right (road center) side of the car had to be given over to the care and keeping of the oncoming drivers. Driving with the left-side steering position was more challenging on rural highways and roads: having a truly reliable right seat passenger/advisor was needed when passing slow traffic.

Rented right hand drive Toyotas with standard transmissions were used for work-related trips to locations on or near Thailand's borders. Pedal position is the same (clutch left, brake center, gas-pedal right), so the switch of shifting from right hand to left hand was only a slight adjustment. Occasional embarrassment was suffered when the windshield wipers were activated on sunny days in lieu of turn signals.

Driving in Cambodia's capital, Phnom Penh, in the mid '90s was rather more challenging. A newly mobile population which had enjoyed almost no access to private vehicles for nearly two decades produced slow-speed chaos on the city's roads. Though the rule was nominally 'keep right,' it didn't really seem to be effective. Roughly one in three cars had steering wheels on the right-side and lane discipline was, at best, a sometime thing. Looking both ways was the minimum for survival on the roads and on the sidewalks.

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Jun 30, 2019 11:49:34   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
Abo wrote:
And thanks for contributing to the thread.
I look froward to hearing from you.


Fine. Here is the deal: I can not shoot snooker with
my left hand, except for a few simple shots. The
same goes for table tennis, throwing a ball (any ball), etc.
As for the driving, since I was young I used to hold the
steering wheel with my left hand while my elbow was
resting at the window. Even in long arch curves. But whenever
it was needed (like a abrupt arch or a 90º curve) both
hands were on the wheel. I still do this under normal
easy-driving conditions. Whenever speeding (> 70 km/h)
both hands are on the wheel and gear changing is fast,
less than one second.
As for the left side ways, I pretty much believe it is the same,
i.e., a matter of habit. I tried to change gears with my wife driving
the car and I seated at the right. Could not do it, despite the
rehearsed synchrony (clutch, gear).
My two cents...

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Jun 30, 2019 11:49:37   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Abo wrote:
I was reading the topic "When You Pass someone on the road" posted by Tim S.

The Left Hand Drive Versus Right Hand Drive issue soon arose.
Those who drive on the left supported their native situation
and those who drive on the right supported that.

And the reasoning did not go beyond, we drive on this side of the road, so it must be the best
way to do it.

Which contains no logic or reason really. Saying, "I do it this way, makes this way right",
fails as soon as it is countered with, "I do it the other way, makes the other way right".

1+minus1=0

I drive on the left side of the road in a RHD vehicle. I believe it's the better way, not just
because that's the way it is down here, but because of a darn good reason.

And that is; most people are right handed which means when we let go of the steering
to change gears our dominant right hand remains on the steering wheel to steer the car.

If you think that is insignificant try writing with your left hand or using a hammer in your
left hand.

And all you lefties out there, pipe down. You think it would be better for most people
to have less control over their cars than the least amount of people to have less control over their car?

Sorry USA/Continental Europe, but you got it wrong.
I was reading the topic "When You Pass someon... (show quote)


Interesting article on the history of LHD /RHD here. https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/right.cfm
Driving on the right developed from habits dating back to the days of heavy ox Conestogo wagons. Drivers led the oxon from the left side. If two wagons met, the drivers passed each other to the right so as to keep the wagons separated. As roads or trails improved and lighter wagons, stage coaches etc developed, drivers sat on the RHS to be able to use a whip but continued to pass on the RHS. As early motor cars with steering wheels developed, drivers preferred the RHS position to help stay out of ditches and so it remained until Henry Ford brought out the Model T with the wheel on the left. The Model T was so popular that other manufacturers followed suite.
The tradition of passing on the LHS in England dates back to the time of the Knights of yore. Knights passed on the left so they could draw their swords if they perceived a threat from the on-commer.

I am ambidextrous when it come to driving. I am equally comfortable driving on the left or right and have driven LHD cars on RHD roads and visa versa although that gets a bit scary for the passenger.

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Jun 30, 2019 12:16:56   #
pendennis
 
Ships at sea, unless there are channel considerations, always pass "port-to-port", and running lights are always green/starboard, red/port. Same for aircraft. The pilot's position is always on the left side of the aircraft.

The left side steering wheel was standardized when the Model T was built, moved from center- and right-sides. It was felt that exiting the car from the curb was safer for passengers, than muddy streets.

I seem to remember that some purpose-built race cars were built with RHD, but had the gearshift to the driver's right. Rare, but I've seen it.

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