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Jun 29, 2019 11:23:33   #
lschiz Loc: Elgin, IL
 
Fabulous1too wrote:
In your opinion, does having an SSD really that much better? There's a "mom and pop" computer place here in my town advertising he can install a 1TB for about $350, is it that much better? Thanks in advance.


Yes sir! Hands-down the far better option. I have an old PC laptop six years old got it brand new with a 256 gig SSD. Never a glitch a problem at all. All my images are stored in a RAID1 configuration w/ two SSDs (I use https://www.cru-inc.com/products/RTX/?product_line=RTX&bay_count=2 )
I stair all images off the computer on my RAID box as a working drive and then I back up that raid up twice again to two other mechanical disk drives.
My Lightroom catalog I store on the computer and back it up to a dropbox account and a folder on my RAID1. The best combination I’ve ever had when I get the money and a brand new computer it’ll be a much larger SSD. Lots of other good information and advice here as well.

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Jun 29, 2019 12:01:33   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
Longshadow wrote:

(If I had a computer that took 15 minutes to boot, I'd replace the computer....)
This has been an interesting exercise.

I probably would too, if it were my only computer. In my case, it was an old laptop in the closet, unusable for over a year. To take it from a 15 minute boot time to a few seconds boot time, from a useless piece of extra closet junk to a snappy, responsive photo processing machine running the latest OS and Adobe suite, with an investment of $0 was worth a few hours fiddling and felt rather miraculous.

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Jun 29, 2019 12:04:29   #
charlienow Loc: Hershey, PA
 
You will think you have a brand new computer. Everything is faster...photo and video editing will take much less time. But that price seems high. If you can do it yourself or have a friend or relative do it for you the savings will be well worth it.

However if you feel there could be malware or viruses or something else wrong and the computer store is going to clean up your computer it might be worth it.

Good luck

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Jun 29, 2019 12:43:06   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Dave327 wrote:
SSD with no moving parts access data much faster....

True!

Dave327 wrote:
... in theory are not subject to failure rates of a spinning HD...

Not true.

A friend of mine is a manufacturing engineer and designer at one of the largest manufacturers of SSDs. He knows I'm a photographer and tells me to not trust SSD to archive my images. An "enterprise class" HD is the safest storage... but backups are still very important. SSD data reliability has improved, but it's still not as secure as an HD can be.

OTOH, SSD are GREAT for programs that can be reinstalled easily, if needed.

$350 for 1TB seems really expensive to me....

Crucial.com has some of the best quality available and their 1TB MX500 sells for $110. That comes with the necessary software, but an installation kit costing a little less than $18 may be needed if installing in a desktop computer. That kit includes a bracket and screws enabling the 2.5" format SSD to be fitted to a standard 3.5" drive bay that's pretty much the standard in most desktops. It also includes the cables needed to install the drive in the computer as well as cables used to copy the old drive to the new one. It also has another copy of the software. If installing in a laptop, this kit may not be needed. Most laptops use a 2.5" drive bay, so the SSDs that size can be directly fitted.

I don't know what brand or quality of memory your local techie is installing... or your own technical skills... but it's not a difficult job (and Crucial provides extensive instructions). If you know how to open the computer, are able to follow instructions, can manipulate a screwdriver and are able to plug some cables into existing sockets, you can probably install it yourself. Based upon the pricing for 1TB Crucial SSD w/kit (which is some of the best), I'd estimate that tech is charging about $200 for maybe a half hour of actual work. (There will be additional time waiting while your data is copied from one drive to another... but that's not "labor", IMO... they can go out to dinner, take a nap or play some video games while waiting).

The only "tricky" thing about an installation like this is that it's important to ground yourself before touching stuff inside a computer, so there's no static electricity "shocking" any of the delicate circuitry. There are special grounding straps that "real" techies use.... but all you actually need to do is touch the metal chassis of the computer with your other hand first, on the exterior and/or well away from the circuitry... to drain off any static build-up in your body. This works fine to prevent any problems.

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Jun 29, 2019 12:58:05   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Quoted price is waaaaay to high. B&H has a Samsung 860 1TB SSD on dale for $100.00. Installation & data transfer should not be $ 250. Yes, an SSD is one thing that will make your system boot/run faster. About a bazillion times faster than a spinning HDD! best of luck.

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Jun 29, 2019 13:28:00   #
Ted de Castro
 
Just remember - any cell/sector in an SSD is only good for about 100 write cycles - then it dies. The drive software shifts things around to even out the usage but doing things like defraging and or optimizing can be detrimental. I have LOTS of normal harddrives - about 29T on my system and have been using HDs for decades with out many problems. I don't notice any real speed issues - but I'm not gamer - although I do lots of work with very large files. So personally - I'm not about to switch. --- but that's just my opinion.

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Jun 29, 2019 13:41:48   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Ted de Castro wrote:
Just remember - any cell/sector in an SSD is only good for about 100 write cycles - then it dies. The drive software shifts things around to even out the usage but doing things like defraging and or optimizing can be detrimental. I have LOTS of normal harddrives - about 29T on my system and have been using HDs for decades with out many problems. I don't notice any real speed issues - but I'm not gamer - although I do lots of work with very large files. So personally - I'm not about to switch. --- but that's just my opinion.
Just remember - any cell/sector in an SSD is only ... (show quote)


Just curious -- where did you get that information? If that were actually true, most SSDs would be dead days after installation! Best of luck.

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Jun 29, 2019 13:48:03   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
SSD will (probably) speed up boot times and program opening times. But you pay a real big premium using a very large SSD for big storage. And you shouldn't rely on an SSD being a safe place to keep your data long-term by itself anyway. An SSD can fail just like hard drives can, and with absolutely no warning.
Suggestion....get a 256 GB SSD. Much cheaper than a 1TB. Use it for the operating system and program installations. Move data you want to store to an external hard drive, and back IT up.

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Jun 29, 2019 13:49:13   #
Ted de Castro
 
That's been the way they have been since they first came out. I've seen many articles about it - especially on CNET. I've seen SSD manufacturer literature detailing how the operating system spreads data around the sectors to even out the use. I've seen many SSD ads referencing this issue. There are utilities about to help with this shortcoming as well.

If it were not for measures to cover for this - you are correct - they would have died long ago.

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Jun 29, 2019 13:51:35   #
Earnest Botello Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
According to the specs of the mobo, it has 7 sata ports and will easily take an ssd drive or two.

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Jun 29, 2019 15:44:57   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Fabulous1too wrote:
In your opinion, does having an SSD really that much better? There's a "mom and pop" computer place here in my town advertising he can install a 1TB for about $350, is it that much better? Thanks in advance.
Yes, they are really "better" but the price you mentioned is outrageous!

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Jun 29, 2019 15:53:22   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
speters wrote:
Yes, they are really "better" but the price you mentioned is outrageous!


It might be a bit over the top, but I do not think it is "outrageous". It also depends on the quality/brand of the SSD.
Perhaps $300 for the SSD, transferring the OS and installation? I suspect if he offered the shop $250 for the job, "Mom & Pop" might accept.
Mark

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Jun 29, 2019 18:24:09   #
Ted de Castro
 
cjc2 wrote:
Just curious -- where did you get that information? If that were actually true, most SSDs would be dead days after installation! Best of luck.


Like I said - I've seen it many places since they first came on the scene - but since I never expected to get challenged - I didn't note the source.

Anyhow - it bears revisiting - the problem STILL exists but has gotten better since the early days - by a factor of 20 or 30 and with fancy math and assumptions, defenders can make them sound like long lived. SSDs even come with a lifetime data spec now!

Google : ssd write limit and you'll see lots of information.

The following article is pretty good:

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-ssds-solid-state-drives-work-increase-lifespan/

Personally I've only had 1 harddrive fail on me and that was back in the '80's. The article above calculates the data limit spec equivalent to a 12 year life - I've had harddrives do that without a problem.

The reason I most usually replaced a hardrive was because newer technology made them larger and cheaper - I mean we USED to pay for a 10 MB drive what we can get an 8T for now!!! So I seldom used one up - they just got too small.

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Jun 29, 2019 18:27:39   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Ted de Castro wrote:
That's been the way they have been since they first came out. I've seen many articles about it - especially on CNET. I've seen SSD manufacturer literature detailing how the operating system spreads data around the sectors to even out the use. I've seen many SSD ads referencing this issue. There are utilities about to help with this shortcoming as well.

If it were not for measures to cover for this - you are correct - they would have died long ago.


When you reply, please use "Quote Reply" so everyone knows who/what you are replying to. Respectfully, your are incorrect. Please point us to something that specifically points to this. While there may be a theoretical limit, it is much larger than 100 writes. If that were actually true, I have some miraculous SSDs that are way beyond their life cycle, including the one in this very machine! Best of luck.

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Jun 29, 2019 18:55:08   #
Earnest Botello Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
Dat Quach wrote:
SDD is better than HDD for sure in booting time and failure rate. But for 1TB SDD, $350 is rather steep compared to $60 for a 2TB HDD. I wanted to replace my failing HDD with a SDD but had to settle with a HDD, unfortunately because I found out my PC motherboard (Intel DP67BG) does not have a connector to a SDD. The board has two PCIe 2.0x16 and three PCI Express x1 and I could not find any new SDD matching those connectors. Maybe the shop charges $350 because they have to find a part to connect the SDD to an old motherboard?
SDD is better than HDD for sure in booting time an... (show quote)


According to the specs of your motherboard, it has 7 sata ports, good enough for multiple ssds.

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