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Jun 28, 2019 17:53:52   #
Fabulous1too
 
In your opinion, does having an SSD really that much better? There's a "mom and pop" computer place here in my town advertising he can install a 1TB for about $350, is it that much better? Thanks in advance.

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Jun 28, 2019 18:21:28   #
Dave327 Loc: Duluth, GA. USA
 
SSD with no moving parts access data much faster and in theory are not subject to failure rates of a spinning HD. Pretty good price for a 1TB installed. Many mfg’s are installing SSD’s as a standard now. I do believe they will eventually replace standard hard drives.

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Jun 28, 2019 18:26:04   #
juan_uy Loc: Uruguay
 
Performance wise, it's a day vs night difference. In nowadays computers is the best performance boost that you can have. For several years improvements in CPU hasn't been that game-changing as SSD or the right amount of RAM are.

I would check SSD brand and go for a reputable one. 100% recommended

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Jun 28, 2019 18:47:45   #
RichinSeattle
 
I just replaced my 1 TB HDD with a 1TB SSD (Samsung), in my 12 yr.-old Dell Latitude. The new drive cost me $110, and, after cloning the old onto the new, I switched them out myself.

Start time is now about 1/3 what it had been, and I'm sure that all programs are running much faster.

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Jun 28, 2019 18:51:41   #
alx Loc: NJ
 
Fabulous1too wrote:
In your opinion, does having an SSD really that much better? There's a "mom and pop" computer place here in my town advertising he can install a 1TB for about $350, is it that much better? Thanks in advance.

You will see a quantum leap in performance. Assuming that price is for a quality SSD, if it is all inclusive of a full transfer of your existing software, etc. (which I suspect it is) it is fair. Remember, these people are entitled to make a living as well. If it includes moving your existing hard drive internally, you can consider that as a bonus providing you with additional storage. (This "bonus" is providing your reason is to upgrade and not replace a drive that is failing.)

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Jun 28, 2019 19:00:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Curious, how much of a speed difference in boot-up for the same system between HD and SSD?

Program loading?

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Jun 28, 2019 19:04:46   #
RichinSeattle
 
Longshadow wrote:
Curious, how much of a speed difference in boot-up for the same system between HD and SSD?

Program loading?


As I mentioned above, SSD boot-up (start time) is about 1/3rd what it was with the HDD in the same, old computer. Haven't done any measurements, but all programs are starting much faster, even the notoriously slow Photoshop Elements.

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Jun 28, 2019 20:19:20   #
Fabulous1too
 
Thank you all

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Jun 28, 2019 20:21:11   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
RichinSeattle wrote:
As I mentioned above, SSD boot-up (start time) is about 1/3rd what it was with the HDD in the same, old computer. Haven't done any measurements, but all programs are starting much faster, even the notoriously slow Photoshop Elements.

Okay, so based on your estimated 1/3 of the start time, my (nine year old) computer having a power-up to login time of 72 seconds, and a <power-up> login to ready time of 45 seconds, totaling ≈120 seconds, I'll save 80 seconds (1.333 minutes). It will only take about 40 seconds with an SSD instead of 120 seconds with an HDD. I imagine there is even more time savings with a slower computer.
(I did not count MY action time to log in as it would be the same in either case.)

Interesting.

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Jun 28, 2019 21:30:41   #
Haydon
 
When I switched from a mechanical HD to a M2 it went from 34 seconds to 13 seconds in boot time.

You might want to look around. Without any hard searching I found a Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD for $137.00 on Amazon. Routinely, you can find them at Microcenter for less.

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Jun 28, 2019 21:37:59   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Haydon wrote:
When I switched from a mechanical HD to a M2 it went from 34 seconds to 13 seconds in boot time.

So again, about 1/3, saving about 20 seconds.

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Jun 28, 2019 22:26:25   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Yes. Unless you have an archaic computer, there is nothing else you can do (unless you are badly memory limited and paging to disk) that will come close to dramatically improving your performance for the $ spent.

Having said that, $350 is a lot for 1 TB of SSD. A substantial part of that cost must be installation and transferring the data (if you don’t feel comfortable doing it) because the drive is in the $100-$140 range depending on the specific drive.. If you don’t feel comfortable doing the installation and transfer per the instructions, then consider buying a Samsung 860 or Intel 540 series drive and pay a tech to install it. in my opinion, $350 is outrageous given today's SSD prices.

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Jun 28, 2019 22:36:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Haydon wrote:

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You might want to look around. Without any hard searching I found a Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD for $137.00 on Amazon. Routinely, you can find them at Microcenter for less.

Tomorrow I want to check some start/restart times for some programs. Like on my laptop, starting Roots Magic after boot-up takes 30 seconds to become ready. Closing and later re-starting in the same boot session, takes 5 seconds. So initially, with an SSD, the start time would be about 10 seconds, and subsequent starts would take about 1.5, maybe, saving 3.5 seconds. The value for low start-to-ready times is most likely asymptotic though. Now understand that this would be based on the premise that most of the start-up time is disk I/O.

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Jun 28, 2019 23:46:32   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
Fabulous1too wrote:
In your opinion, does having an SSD really that much better? There's a "mom and pop" computer place here in my town advertising he can install a 1TB for about $350, is it that much better? Thanks in advance.


YES. I have an old Mac Pro laptop that had become unusable because it took up to 15 minutes to boot, and even then it would hardly run an email program or a browser. Lightroom would not even load. My son gave me an SSD he had upgraded from, I removed the optical drive and installed the SSD in its place. Then cloned over the old hard drive to the SSD.

It now boots in 10-15 seconds, handles my basic programs and LR and even Photoshop easily. The old hard drive is still right there, and I store my images and other files on it, using the SSD for the OS and programs.

If I’d had to pay $350 I might not have done it because my laptop is so old. But for an afternoon’s work, it was like a miracle.

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Jun 28, 2019 23:51:57   #
Dat Quach Loc: California
 
SDD is better than HDD for sure in booting time and failure rate. But for 1TB SDD, $350 is rather steep compared to $60 for a 2TB HDD. I wanted to replace my failing HDD with a SDD but had to settle with a HDD, unfortunately because I found out my PC motherboard (Intel DP67BG) does not have a connector to a SDD. The board has two PCIe 2.0x16 and three PCI Express x1 and I could not find any new SDD matching those connectors. Maybe the shop charges $350 because they have to find a part to connect the SDD to an old motherboard?

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