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Jun 14, 2019 10:56:14   #
Indiana Loc: Huntington, Indiana
 
Hook1230 wrote:
I am glad that you brought this topic up. I have been debating on covering my camera and drone gear through my homeowners or by investigating carrying it on a separate policy, through a different company, et, etc, etc. I have experi need a couple of losses that occurred super close to each other. Homeowners covered it to the tune of about 35%-45% of the value of what was stolen. Really made me angry as between my parents first and then myself, we have carried insurance through them for over 53 years now with less then 6 claims through that entire time. That includes storm damage, hail damage, storm water damage, everything. Really burned me up. Lol.
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Well, you have the wrong policy. It's not the insurance company...but rather the insurance agent. The question to ask is..."am I insured for the depreciated value of the personal property, or am I insured for the replacement value new of the personal property. Most insurance companies don't offer certain types of insurance, so find one that does. See if Auto Owners Insurance Company is available in your area. They have the policy that will protect you for 100% of the value. I have it, and have used it twice in the past year...lawn mower accident in the pond, and extensive fire damage from a faulty fireplace insert. Hope this helps.

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Jun 14, 2019 11:05:37   #
rgood44
 
Just did my camera equipment through State Farm. Very inexpensive. I don't think they really do riders anymore. These are all separate policies. Much better way as your HO policy will only pay partial and does not cover as many things as a separate policy.

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Jun 14, 2019 12:00:50   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
The way escrow works is that they estimate your taxes and insurance. When they pay either one of those, any overage or underage is calculated into the next year's escrow amount. If you add a rider for personal property, whether it be photography equipment or anything else, the insurance company adds that to your annual premium. The mortgage company pays the premium, then performs the calculation as noted. Your insurance will be current and you will not be in default of your house note. I.e. don't worry about it.

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Jun 14, 2019 12:07:19   #
jwn Loc: SOUTHEAST GEORGIA USA
 
I had over $10,000 in equipment stolen out of the back of unlocked car. It was covered as personal property with replacement cost less the deductible. You do not need special riders unless business or want lower deductible. if your agent or phone rep says otherwise ask where in the policy it is excluded or limited. People go all over the world and lose cameras personal property, jewelry and it's covered....jewerly may be limited but it is spelled out in the policy. If your agent can't answer questions get new agent. If you want professional advise tax, legal, insurance ask a professional.

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Jun 14, 2019 13:10:26   #
jefflane
 
If you separately schedule your equipment, it should not affect renewal of your main policy. However, if you make any money with your photography, they can refuse to settle your claim as you should have a "professional" policy and not put on homeonwners.

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Jun 14, 2019 13:52:53   #
PHOTOAL
 
If you want to have the best coverage on your photo equipment you definitely schedule it. Under your basic Homeowners Insurance policy your are covered for the perils of the policy. When it is scheduled you have what is considered all risk. When my camera flew off the car and landed in the street and run over by the car behind me it was paid for in full because it was scheduled. If it was under the regular homeowners Insurance, and not scheduled, it would not have been covered because there is no Insured peril for stupidity.

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Jun 14, 2019 14:03:48   #
Bill P
 
[quote=PHOTOAL]After reading all of the reply's it is hard for me to sit and not say anything. I have been an Independent Insurance Agent for 30 years.

AS I have said many times, if you need insurance of any kind, contact an independent agent. They are not bound to sell but one brand of insurance, but can choose from a whole host of companies that are just in the insurance business, not in the funny TV commercial business. Does anyone really believe that Warren Buffett gets his car insurance from Geico?

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Jun 14, 2019 14:08:31   #
Bill P
 
Regarding escrow and house payments and insurance: This is something that may apply to people in certain states, but where I live escrow is money you put down when you make an offer on a house to show good faith, and after you won the house is gone. When insurance comes out of house payment, there is an annual review of insurance, taxes etc. and payment is adjusted.

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Jun 14, 2019 14:15:17   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
nikonbug wrote:
Check with State Farm for a personal articles policy. I had two claims, one for a destroyed lens (1800), which they paid for in full, and one for a damaged lens which they paid over $900 to repair. No problems with either claim. It is the only policy I have with them. Can not say good enough things about their claim process.


yes but how much are you paying for that?

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Jun 14, 2019 14:25:38   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
Bill P wrote:
Regarding escrow and house payments and insurance: This is something that may apply to people in certain states, but where I live escrow is money you put down when you make an offer on a house to show good faith, and after you won the house is gone. When insurance comes out of house payment, there is an annual review of insurance, taxes etc. and payment is adjusted.


Correct, but incomplete. The house payment is made up of three parts: principal (repayment of the amount actually borrowed), interest and escrow. Insurance and taxes are paid out of the escrow fund, for which the borrower receives an annual statement. That statement shows how much was collected and how much was paid out, the balance in the fund and the calculation of the next year's escrow payment amount. Principal and interest in total are constant throughout the life of the loan (assuming all payments are made on time and as scheduled) but the escrow amount can and does vary.

When you say, "When insurance comes out of house payment (sic)" are you thinking that payment comes out of the amount paid against the principal? Or the amount paid in interest? If not, where does the money come from? The mortgage company certainly doesn't make the payment out of its own pocket.

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Jun 14, 2019 14:34:18   #
Jeannie88
 
I was told years ago by a pro, that since I was not a pro,I should check to see if my insurance company would attach a rider to my homeowners for all my cameras and photo equipment. I did just that , and as he said it was waay cheaper than any other insurance out there at the time. When Ever I buy something new, I just scan in the bill with the make , model, serial number and price to the insurance company. When I get rid of anything, I simply tell them to delete it from the rider. easy peasy.

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Jun 14, 2019 14:35:12   #
Bill P
 
stanikon wrote:
Correct, but incomplete. The house payment is made up of three parts: principal (repayment of the amount actually borrowed), interest and escrow. Insurance and taxes are paid out of the escrow fund, for which the borrower receives an annual statement. That statement shows how much was collected and how much was paid out, the balance in the fund and the calculation of the next year's escrow payment amount. Principal and interest in total are constant throughout the life of the loan (assuming all payments are made on time and as scheduled) but the escrow amount can and does vary.

When you say, "When insurance comes out of house payment (sic)" are you thinking that payment comes out of the amount paid against the principal? Or the amount paid in interest? If not, where does the money come from? The mortgage company certainly doesn't make the payment out of its own pocket.
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The money come from the money you pay in monthly, which here is "The Mortgage Payment." Here it is not divided into three convenient things. For example, do you have HOA payments as a line item? Special assessments?

We are both right, but by using the term escrow, you will confuse folks where that isn't what a part of your monthly payment is named, but where that term is used for something entirely different..

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Jun 14, 2019 14:49:25   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
repleo wrote:
I am in the process of adding my photo gear to my homeowners insurance as scheduled items / rider. My broker brought up a scenario I hadn't anticipated. If you have a mortgage, your insurance is probably paid out of escrow. Adding a camera rider will increase the premium which will in turn increase the escrow amount on your mortgage. If you have your mortgage set up on an auto payment or bill pay, you may not notice the small increase in the amount due until you get a default notice from the mortgage company.

Just something to watch out for if you go that route.
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I have my photo gear covered by a rider on my insurance policy. It also covers theft from other than my home. The worst that can happen is if you lose your gear away from home your covered for accidental damage and loss. My premium is higher because it includes the house and car too. You don't want to be insurance poor.

You can also invest in a very large rambunctious dog that has no problem barking loudly on the drop of dime. The down side is you must walk the beast!

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Jun 14, 2019 15:20:00   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Bill P wrote:
The money come from the money you pay in monthly, which here is "The Mortgage Payment." Here it is not divided into three convenient things. For example, do you have HOA payments as a line item? Special assessments?

We are both right, but by using the term escrow, you will confuse folks where that isn't what a part of your monthly payment is named, but where that term is used for something entirely different..


It is an important account, after escrow closes.

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Jun 14, 2019 18:05:39   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
PHOTOAL wrote:
After reading all of the reply's it is hard for me to sit and not say anything. I have been an Independent Insurance Agent for 30 years. I have also been an advanced amateur photographer for over 40. #1. First of all everybody in business is out to make a profit, otherwise why be in it. So yes Insurance Companies do make money. Insurance is a gamble for us policyholders. You do not have to have Insurance on your Photographic equipment. It is not mandatory by any means. However, each of us has to decide - #1. What do I have to lose? #2. How much does it cost to protect what I have to lose? #3. Can I afford it? My personal experience is that it sounds like a lot of your Agents are not explaining the coverage's to you. I have had 3 instances of claims with my camera's over the years and they have all been paid for in full. It all depends upon the policy you purchase and your agent doing the job of explaining those coverage's so you understand what you are purchasing. My last claim just last year I was at a local High School taking pictures for a Pep Fest and a student stepped on the end of my camera, damage the lens hood and broke the lens. Paid for in full. I know a lot of people expect that everything is paid for regardless. Sorry that is just not the case. There is not a policy out there that will pay for everything. If you don't understand, ask the questions and hopefully your Agent will give you the answers. If not find another Agent. On another claim I unfortunately left my camera on top of my car and drove away. Heard a clanking, looked in the rear view mirror and watched the car behind me run over it. Paid for in full, no deductible. That is the policy that you are looking for. It is an added endorsement to my Homeowner's Insurance for very little cost.
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Thank You! Everything you said is absolutely true. I have been in the insurance business for over 30 years also, although not in property and casualty. Let me add a couple of things here. First Know the difference between Actual Cash Value and Replacement cost. Most people opt for ACV to save a couple of $$$. ACV pays your purchase price minus any depreciation and wear and tear. Replacement cost will pay what the market price is to replace the item. Spend the extra couple of dollars for Replacement cost. Second, I love when people say something like my whole family has been with such and such insurance company for more than 50 years. So? The insurance company is going to honor their part in the legally binding contract which is your policy. Does Ford replace the alternator on your 10 year old Taurus because your Whole family has driven fords since the model T? How long you have been with an insurance company has no relevance. Each policy is a 1 year contract that ends on the renewal date. When you renew it is a new policy. Do yourselves a favor spend a few minutes with your agent and go over the coverages and ask in the event of a covered loss how does this work and what will be paid? Most of the time when I hear someone got “ripped off” by their insurance company it has more to do with the insured not knowing what coverages they actually had or how the claims process works. As for “my agent screwed me by selling me an ACV policy instead of Replacement cost.” Let me translate that one. I am cheap and I tried to save a few bucks. Insurance agents get paid commissions, the commission is a % of the premium you pay. Think about that for a second. Do they make more money on the more expensive Replacment cost or the less expensive ACV? Do agents. really want to make more money or less money? Now remember that time you got your new insurance renewal bill and thought it had gone up too much and you called your agent and said how can I bring the cost of this down? I understand this is an international forum so my comments only relate to the US. That being the case. Insurance in the US is heavily regulated making it nearly impossible for Insurance Companies to “rip consumers off”. It’s up to the policy holder to ask some questions and understand what they are buying. If you understand the coverages you are buying you will never be surprised when you file a claim. Our equipment is important to us for some it represents thousands of dollars for other maybe a lot less but either way it is an important investment for each of us. Most of us will spend hours on end researching before we buy any piece of new gear. Take a few minutes and review your insurance coverage too. Happy Shooting All.

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