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Jun 12, 2019 18:40:25   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
Great detailed explanation. Thanks for posting Paul.

Don

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Jun 13, 2019 14:50:56   #
raymondh Loc: Walker, MI
 
srt101fan wrote:
Thank you, CHG_CANON; another great contribution to the UHH "library"!


I'll give a hearty 2nd to this!

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Jun 13, 2019 15:48:59   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Thank you Fstop12, EnglishBrenda, John, fbeaston, Linda, Dave, Bev, Don, Raymondh! One UHH tip I missed mentioning is to "Bookmark" the topic. This personal list of bookmark posts is the most efficient way to return to older posts, whether your created them or not.

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Jan 26, 2020 18:49:38   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Excellent!

Thanks, Paul.

Andy

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Jan 27, 2020 23:36:52   #
Nickaroo
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Image noise is extraneous visible artifacts that degrade image quality. Image noise includes luminance (grayscale) noise, which makes an image look grainy, and chroma (color) noise, which is usually visible as colored (blue / red) artifacts in the image. Photos taken with high ISO values and / or older or less-sophisticated digital cameras can have noticeable noise.

Although this discussion focuses on Adobe software and RAW processing, the definitions of the two types of noise and how the controls operate is common to all software and the processing of both JPEG and RAW images; where for your JPEGs, the camera will perform much of the Noise Reduction (NR) processing. The RAW shooter receives a file with no NR applied and must determine the optimal values in post processing of their RAW images.

Example 1 - Sony a7II at ISO-3200 with both Adobe LR sliders set to '0' for Luminance and Color NR



Every digital camera creates imperfections in images called 'noise', which appears as unwanted dots of color, or lines or smudges of color (or some of all three) as well as causing a grain across the entire image. An excessive amount of noise can ruin an image by taking attention away from the content of the image.

Your image files were created by a specialized hand-held computer we call a "digital camera". Your desktop / laptop computer can use specialized software to remove or otherwise lessen the digital noise in the files. But, too much noise reduction takes away the fine details and sharpness of the image while removing the noise, a negative impact sometimes worse than the original image noise.

The Adobe products, both Lightroom (LR) and Adobe Camera Raw (ACR), default to +25 on the Color NR for all RAW files (all cameras, all models). As shown in the series of examples below, an image is likely to need less Color NR and more Luminance NR.

Example 2 - Sony a7II at ISO-3200 with just the Adobe LR default and all NR removed



The two 'detail' sliders provide control over the impact of the type of noise reduction. Higher values preserve more detail but may produce noisier results. Lower values produce cleaner results but may also remove some detail.

Example 3 - Sony a7II at ISO-3200 with both Adobe LR sliders adjusted to different values of Luminance and Color NR



So, the 'art' of noise processing is finding the Luminance and Color NR values that best balance the application of sharpening with reduction of both types of noise that tends to soften the image details.

Although the digital camera manufacturers express ISO as "sensitivity" just like analog film, digital sensors only have a single "base" sensitivity, regardless of the ISO setting. This 'base' ISO is typically ISO-100, but some cameras it is ISO-200, or somewhere in this range.

Digital cameras "act like" they change the sensor sensitivity; but actually, the camera brightens the sensor data to correspond to the specified ISO value, as if the specified ISO-rated film had been used for the same level of light hitting the sensor. The process that brightens (amplifies) the data captured on the sensor introduces much of the noise seen in the "high ISO" result. Newer cameras use newer technology to reduce this digital noise so that less noise is observed at similar ISOs when compared to older cameras.

Many cameras require no NR or only the most minor values, say in the +1 to +5 values for both Luminance and Color NR, when shooting at the camera's base ISO. The need for no or minor NR may range as high as ISO-400 for these cameras. As noted above, Adobe defaults to Color +25 for all RAW files, with no analysis of the ISO value of the image, nor the camera model, nor the brand. When shooting in RAW at or near base ISO, the RAW photographer should reduce the +25 Color NR default during their processing workflow.

The example below shows screen-captures of the LR / ARC 'defaults' in terms of both NR and Sharpening. The feather details, particularly between the eye and beak, seem to have lost detail along with the noise in the processed version. Alternative approaches would be to use less NR from Lightroom / ACR; and instead, let a third-party product like Topaz DeNoise or Noise Ninja process the noise, or to use completely different RAW editors like Affinity, Luminar, DxO PhotoLab, etc.

Example 4 - Canon EOS 5DIII at ISO-5000 with default RAW import settings and adjustments for Sharpening, Luminance and Color NR



Noise becomes less pronounced as the tones of the image become brighter. When the sensor data is amplified from the base ISO to the specified ISO, the darker portions of the image are amplified more than the brighter portions. As a result, digital noise will tend to be more visible in the relatively darker portions of the image at higher and higher ISOs.

My own experience with several different digital cameras (of different ages, sensor sizes and brands) is that each camera is consistent at different ISO values. That is, images from Camera-A at ISO-2000 will tend to need the same NR values for image after image all at ISO-2000. The same camera will need different NR values at ISO-1000; but again, for image after image at ISO-1000, the files will tend to need the same NR values. This lets me develop LR Develop Presets that are applied specific to each camera model at each specific ISO value. After importing images into Lightroom, I use metadata filters to isolate all the images at each ISO value for the unique camera models. I select all the images at the same ISO value and apply the appropriate preset. While editing, I may tweak the NR and sharpening on individual images, possibly syncing that refinement across similar images at the same ISO.

SUMMARY

1. Look closely at any / all default values your tool applies to your RAW files.

2. Look for consistency of Noise Reduction values at unique ISO values (for each camera model, if applicable)

3. Seek a consistent and efficient RAW workflow where you apply our own custom-developed NR defaults to your images.
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CHG_CANON, You my friend taught this lesson to a tee. I sure feel good that you are on this site, except for your love of "All Things Canon" LOL. You explained this subject so well. I learned that one really needs to be careful with NR in LR. But, there have been times where I have used Topaz AI CLEAR or even DENOISE AI.

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Feb 1, 2020 17:44:59   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Thank you Andy, Nickaroo! Glad to hear these ideas are helpful.

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Feb 27, 2020 21:33:28   #
Mubashm Loc: Gaithersburg, Maryland
 
Really that is a great article on the subject. Thanks for posting it.

Mohammed

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Mar 1, 2020 08:24:29   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Mubashm wrote:
Really that is a great article on the subject. Thanks for posting it.

Mohammed


Thank you Mohammed, glad to help.

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Mar 14, 2020 14:57:29   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Great post. I have just begun to use the noise & sharpening sliders in LR6 in the last couple of weeks. Along with the Tone Curve tool for adjustments,(especially shadows) I can now use a photo taken at 3200 ISO with great success on photos that would of been deleted previously. Great info on the presets for different iso's & cameras.

Thank You, Tom

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Mar 30, 2020 10:43:40   #
DanCulleton
 
Thank you very much!

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Mar 30, 2020 12:29:00   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Thank you Tom, Dan! I thought of one additional tip I missed in this write-up, although implied in the demonstration. When analyzing the results and moving the sliders around, make sure you're looking at the image details at the pixel-level 100% zoom. Glad this post has helped.

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Aug 31, 2020 09:44:42   #
Toby
 
srt101fan wrote:
Thank you, CHG_CANON; another great contribution to the UHH "library"!


Yes excellent

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Nov 24, 2020 18:11:33   #
globetrekker Loc: Bend, OR
 
Thank you, Paul. Very educational.

I note that your examples are all at high ISO values (though I sometimes wonder what constitutes high). Why would anyone shoot at such values, unless the light was very low and one needed an ISO nudge to get an acceptably fast shutter speed?!

I'm a bird photographer. If I'm out on a sunny or bright day and taking photos of birds with lots of sky (hence light), and I'm shooting Av in f/8 (the widest aperture within the sweet range on my lens), my ISO will be low. 250 or up or down a bit from that. Won't the noise be minimal in those situations?

I guess my point I am surprised that noise reduction is needed across many ISO values for a given camera model. Is there any ISO value for a given camera model below which NR is not needed or rarely needed?

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Jul 1, 2021 19:06:54   #
jefrid
 
Thank you CHG_CANON. Your noise tutorial is most excellent.

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May 2, 2022 11:27:42   #
jefrid
 
Thank you. This is the best NR explanation that I have read to date. I find it difficult to match DeNoise A1 results with either LR or PS, although I know some folks are good at it.

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