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Jun 8, 2019 12:19:30   #
Islandgal Loc: Vancouver Island, British Columbia. Canada
 
Don't let it fool you, a kit lens like the 17-85mm or the 18-55mm can take great flower close ups and make very pleasing bokeh!


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Jun 8, 2019 12:44:25   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Your 80-200 will do most flowers well unless they are quite small.
I find that the breeze has a tendency to make it difficult to get photos unless it is one of those absolutely calm early mornings. It helps to use a flash, preferably not the built in one,to freeze any slight motion then wait between "gusts". A tripod helps as well and I try to use an aperture to give enough DOF to have most the flower in focus. When close, most likely, the background will not be sharp at f8 with the flower mostly sharp.
Practice with settings is best for you to do. Exposures are free now, not like film days. So experiment with hundreds of combinations and see what suits you personally.
Have fun.
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Flash is a good idea because if you use it in manual, you can underexpose the background and get a more dramatic shot of the flower itself. You can also place the flash to the side or behind. Use the flash with a modifier and pointed upward.

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Jun 8, 2019 12:45:46   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
a6k wrote:
A "smart" lens extension tube can be useful for close-ups...
I got Vello from B&H and it is good on quality...


I agree. Get a set of macro extension tubes that you'll be able to use with all your lenses. The Vello are good (about $80). The Kenko are even better (about $130).

These tubes have the electronic connectivity that enable autofocus, image stabilization and - most importantly - aperture control There are cheaper tubes (under $25) that don't have the electronic connections, which are NOT fully usable with modern lenses and cameras, so I don't recommend those. (However, they're fine with vintage, manual focus lenses that have a built in aperture control ring).

Macro tubes fit between the lens and the camera, making the lens able to focus closer than normal. While the tube is in place, the lens won't be able to focus to infinity. There are no optics in macro extension tubes, just air, so they have minimal effect on image quality. You can use them with virtually any lens that fits your camera... you'll probably find them most effective with lenses in the 50mm to 135mm range.

Both the sets mentioned include 12mm, 20mm and 36mm tubes. They can be used individually or combined for up to 68mm total extension. The longer the lens focal length, the more extension needed to significantly change the lens' close focusing ability. There's a practical limit of how short a lens they can be used upon, though. For example, I've used a 12mm extension on a 20mm lens and subjects were in focus when touching the front element of the lens. So a modest telephoto is usually what's best used with them, though I've used them with up to 500mm, to make it a bit closer focusing. I've also used them with macro lenses occasionally, to make them even higher magnification.

I learned to use macro extension tubes many years ago and have made a point of having a set in my camera bag ever since, with every camera system I've used. They're compact, lightweight, inexpensive, easy to use and versatile. Get a set and start experimenting with them.

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Jun 8, 2019 13:24:47   #
carl hervol Loc: jacksonville florida
 
There really is no kit lens there just lens that came with the camera I don't know why people call them kit lens these lens can be bought with out the camera so I guess there no longer called kit lens .

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Jun 8, 2019 15:46:40   #
GalaxyCat Loc: Boston, MA
 
I just have a 18-150mm lens on my Olympus OM-D E-M5 II camera, and I just have fun varying the options (zoom, Aperture, shutter speed, ISO) and do the best I can. I shoot scenes, flowers and everything in grocery stores (like in the produce departments). Concentrate on having fun for a year, then decide if you want/need a macro lens...

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Jun 8, 2019 15:49:09   #
GalaxyCat Loc: Boston, MA
 
abc1234 wrote:
Flash is a good idea because if you use it in manual, you can underexpose the background and get a more dramatic shot of the flower itself. You can also place the flash to the side or behind. Use the flash with a modifier and pointed upward.


This is a very good idea.

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Jun 8, 2019 16:26:15   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Wasabi wrote:
Your flowers are beautiful. I also use a Sony camera and have a few older lenses. I will have to practice with more thoughtful patience. What lens did you use to get those shots?

Wasabi


I've done a bunch of research on old lenses with characteristic bokeh. Those were done with an Aires Coral 4.5cm f1.5 lens for an old Japanese rangefinder camera, a Canon 50mm f1.2 lens for rangefinder from the 1960s and a very old Angenieux 35mm projector lens, 95mm f1.2.

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Jun 8, 2019 18:01:39   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
CO wrote:
I'm very aware that the 1:5.9 ratio does not fit into a macro range. Did you read the OP's original post? Read what he is saying. He wants to know which of his current lenses would be best to practice with before he purchases a macro lens. He wasn't asking about future lenses.


Which is why I suggested that any of his lenses are fine. As well as offering, as others have done, the option of extension tubes, reversing rings, and at least one person offered using a diopter closeup which I don't care for, unless it's the two element Canon filter.

Of all the lenses the 80-200 F2.8 AF-D would be the last one I would suggest. It doesn't get close enough to make closeups. I happen to have one. You can start to approach closeup range if you use a Kenko Pro 300 1.4X TC. but I think his other lenses get him there without needing to purchase anything. The 18-55 provides .31X magnification, btw.

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Jun 8, 2019 18:03:29   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
kymarto wrote:
Actually Nikon (and others) made specialized lenses that were both faster and for closer focus and with more resolving power than the Macro Nikkors. One was the Repro Nikkor (85mm f1.0) made specifically for 1:1 copying. Another was the CRT Nikkor-O 55mm f1.2, specifically for photographing oscilloscope traces at 1:0.5x, but also usable closer.

The real champs were the Ultra Micro Nikkors, ranging from 17 to 165mm, which were some of the highest resolving lenses ever produced, with average resolution of 200-300 lp/mm (40 lp/mm is already considered excellent with the best modern lenses). These lenses were used for photomasking for old printed circuit boards. They were made for various purposes at various magnifications, some of them for extreme macro work.

I have a few of these lenses, and will show you the results with a modern mirrorless camera, many at longer focusing distances to take advantage of their unique bokeh.
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Very cool! I didn't know these were still around.

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Jun 8, 2019 18:04:42   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Islandgal wrote:
Don't let it fool you, a kit lens like the 17-85mm or the 18-55mm can take great flower close ups and make very pleasing bokeh!



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Jun 8, 2019 18:16:06   #
Kaib795 Loc: Maryland, USA
 
Great information and very interesting. My favorites are #5 &7. Oddly I have never seen any of these lenses but will have fun researching them. I did find a cine lens made in France like the ones you had mentioned in another post producing very nice bokeh but sadly they are out of my price range. I think the one I found was over $8K and was quite old but looked wonderful. I am a Nikon shooter though and appreciate all this Nikon banter about different alternatives to Macro lenses. But I guess the question is ... what Van Gogh lens is your favorite? I'm leaning on that Ultra Micro Nikkor 165mm f4. What a beast!

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Jun 8, 2019 18:37:33   #
vandy
 
Jimmy T wrote:
It REALLY is a shame that I can't post "WOW!!!" in 16 pt. letters
to tell you how wonderful your posted flowers are.

Smile,
Jimmy T Sends
Bravo Zulu
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I have to second that statement! Great work!

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Jun 8, 2019 18:39:03   #
vandy
 
Islandgal wrote:
Don't let it fool you, a kit lens like the 17-85mm or the 18-55mm can take great flower close ups and make very pleasing bokeh!


Absolutely beautiful work, thank you for sharing!

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Jun 8, 2019 18:48:25   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Gene51 wrote:
Which is why I suggested that any of his lenses are fine. As well as offering, as others have done, the option of extension tubes, reversing rings, and at least one person offered using a diopter closeup which I don't care for, unless it's the two element Canon filter.

Of all the lenses the 80-200 F2.8 AF-D would be the last one I would suggest. It doesn't get close enough to make closeups. I happen to have one. You can start to approach closeup range if you use a Kenko Pro 300 1.4X TC. but I think his other lenses get him there without needing to purchase anything. The 18-55 provides .31X magnification, btw.
Which is why I suggested that any of his lenses ar... (show quote)


I agree that any of those lenses will do the job but more than that is his own photographic style, skill, and expectations. As for your second paragraph, one of the two shots I posted was with the Sigma 70-200 f.2.8. This is my first choice for most flowers. Not close enough? Depends upon the size of the flower. A greater problem might be what is in front of it.

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Jun 8, 2019 18:56:19   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
kymarto wrote:
My personal tips are two: do not be afraid to use large apertures and try to shoot against the light, or at least with something other than flat light with the sun at your back. I use old vintage lenses for the bokeh, but this applies also to modern lenses. Here are a few examples


Inspirational set.

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