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Jun 3, 2019 20:09:13   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
HRBIEL wrote:
Just some food for thought. In the old days (pre digital) personal cameras registered images on film but they didn't record video on film. Today, almost any personal camera you can buy can shoot stills as well as record video. I wonder if there would be a market for photographers who only shoot stills and would buy a camera that had no video capability? Marketing a camera with no video capabilities could probably cost less, maybe weigh less, have a smaller form factor, and be less complicated to operate. I know I would be interested in such a camera as I'm not interested in video. Any thoughts from hoggers?
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HR, I have never tried shooting video with digital (never did with film, either), even though my cameras can do it. Even the little Kodak point and shoot I got long ago did video on its little sensor, and now I use a Canon 650 which of course can do video. Frankly, I think video is a different craft and ideally it takes a well organized and trained staff to compete with Hollywood.

Roger Ebert, the great film critic, said he did not consider motion pictures art. He explained what he meant--it is the product of an industrial complex involving many stages and products, many skills and arts (such as writing, acting, musical composition and performance, fashion design, set design and construction, experts in period history, etc.) as well as business expertise in finance, distribution, marketing, catering, and so forth. Of course some directors have been consummate artists in film, as have been many actors and cinematographers. But the motion picture is a vast enterprise costing many millions (even hundreds of millions) combining all the elements of a highly articulated industrial complex. Giving me a movie camera would be like giving uncle Clarence an 11x14 view camera after he had used a Brownie.

People who are growing up with video cameras (cell phones) may see all this differently. Great pictures were made with Kodak Brownies (Google it if you don't know this), and I am sure that great videos are made with cell phones (probably in the same proportion).

Not long ago I got a second hand Hasselblad HD2 (finally affordable for me with a bargain price), and the quality is everything I dreamed it would be. But it does not do videos. (I think later HD models do, as do other Hasselblad models).

A similar question is--why not a digital that is just black and white? Yes, Leica makes one for about $8000. Not counting lenses. Thing is, by sticking to black and white, the digital technology can be far superior in terms of most quality standards (think about it). Of course I can do black and white using a color digital camera, but the technology is already vastly compromised in the color design, so that is why if I want b/w I just use 4x5 film. Or dig out a Mamiya twin lens for roll film. In fact, when I first tried digital, I used it for color because color does not have to be so good, and used film for serious things (black and white).

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Jun 3, 2019 20:58:13   #
SueScott Loc: Hammondsville, Ohio
 
I would love to find a camera that only does stills! I loath the video function of my otherwise great D7500 - it is awkward, extremely difficult to find focus, and frequently stops recording after a few seconds. I never use it and we recently bought a small Sony video camera.

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Jun 3, 2019 21:19:26   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
HRBIEL wrote:
Just some food for thought. In the old days (pre digital) personal cameras registered images on film but they didn't record video on film. Today, almost any personal camera you can buy can shoot stills as well as record video. I wonder if there would be a market for photographers who only shoot stills and would buy a camera that had no video capability? Marketing a camera with no video capabilities could probably cost less, maybe weigh less, have a smaller form factor, and be less complicated to operate. I know I would be interested in such a camera as I'm not interested in video. Any thoughts from hoggers?
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No manufacturer is going to do that, because the great majority of buyers want the video capability. Here's the solution: go to ebay, and buy an old DSLR like my Sony a350. No video none of the time. I also have a Sony HD dedicated video camera which I use for production.

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Jun 3, 2019 21:20:28   #
LMurray Loc: North Orange County, CA
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
HR, I have never tried shooting video with digital (never did with film, either), even though my cameras can do it. Even the little Kodak point and shoot I got long ago did video on its little sensor, and now I use a Canon 650 which of course can do video. Frankly, I think video is a different craft and ideally it takes a well organized and trained staff to compete with Hollywood.

Roger Ebert, the great film critic, said he did not consider motion pictures art. He explained what he meant--it is the product of an industrial complex involving many stages and products, many skills and arts (such as writing, acting, musical composition and performance, fashion design, set design and construction, experts in period history, etc.) as well as business expertise in finance, distribution, marketing, catering, and so forth. Of course some directors have been consummate artists in film, as have been many actors and cinematographers. But the motion picture is a vast enterprise costing many millions (even hundreds of millions) combining all the elements of a highly articulated industrial complex. Giving me a movie camera would be like giving uncle Clarence an 11x14 view camera after he had used a Brownie.

People who are growing up with video cameras (cell phones) may see all this differently. Great pictures were made with Kodak Brownies (Google it if you don't know this), and I am sure that great videos are made with cell phones (probably in the same proportion).

Not long ago I got a second hand Hasselblad HD2 (finally affordable for me with a bargain price), and the quality is everything I dreamed it would be. But it does not do videos. (I think later HD models do, as do other Hasselblad models).

A similar question is--why not a digital that is just black and white? Yes, Leica makes one for about $8000. Not counting lenses. Thing is, by sticking to black and white, the digital technology can be far superior in terms of most quality standards (think about it). Of course I can do black and white using a color digital camera, but the technology is already vastly compromised in the color design, so that is why if I want b/w I just use 4x5 film. Or dig out a Mamiya twin lens for roll film. In fact, when I first tried digital, I used it for color because color does not have to be so good, and used film for serious things (black and white).
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You're absolutely right, contrary to what a lot of people think, film is better than digital. I went to digital in 09 with a Nikon d300 then a D800E both take great pictures but I primarily use digital because it's cheap and fast. If I'm serious I use a 35mm film or 120mm film, but it's much costlier and processing is a pain, all the pro-labs in this area are gone.

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Jun 3, 2019 21:52:28   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
aellman wrote:
No manufacturer is going to do that, because the great majority of buyers want the video capability. Here's the solution: go to ebay, and buy an old DSLR like my Sony a350. No video none of the time. I also have a Sony HD dedicated video camera which I use for production.


Not sure that's an ideal solution, Alan ... I think I'd rather HAVE video capability when I need it, than NOT have it, at a time I find I need it ...

I'm kinda like that, with built-in flash, too ...

I suspect most of us - want it all ... when it comes down to it. Wonder how many Dfs Nikon sells ...

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Jun 3, 2019 21:59:19   #
splatbass Loc: Honolulu
 
I've never used the video on my D750. I just ignore it and never even think about it. I think some people may be overthinking this.

My girlfriend just came up with a good point, if we are going to make cameras for a specific purpose only let's go all out. For people that only take landscapes we can have a camera that only has features that are needed for landscapes. You don't need fast shutter speeds, continuous shutter, wide open apertures. For people that only do wildlife we can have a camera that only does high shutter speeds, wide apertures, 10 fps! You could have night photography cameras that have great high ISO and very slow shutter speeds and small apertures, but nothing else.

Ok, I'm kidding, but I think there is a point there. If there are features on a camera that you don't use then just don't use them. It is better to have more than you need than not enough.

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Jun 3, 2019 22:28:03   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
splatbass wrote:
I've never used the video on my D750. I just ignore it and never even think about it. I think some people may be overthinking this.

My girlfriend just came up with a good point, if we are going to make cameras for a specific purpose only let's go all out. For people that only take landscapes we can have a camera that only has features that are needed for landscapes. You don't need fast shutter speeds, continuous shutter, wide open apertures. For people that only do wildlife we can have a camera that only does high shutter speeds, wide apertures, 10 fps! You could have night photography cameras that have great high ISO and very slow shutter speeds and small apertures, but nothing else.

Ok, I'm kidding, but I think there is a point there. If there are features on a camera that you don't use then just don't use them. It is better to have more than you need than not enough.
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Exactly my point, Splat ...

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Jun 3, 2019 23:15:44   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
BebuLamar wrote:
So don't feel bad if you don't use all the features on your cameras. You didn't waste money by having them and not using them. You're actually saving money by accepting features you don't need.


For some reason that reminded me of an old joke--I think it was Alan King on an Ed Sullivan show. When he checked out of a hotel, there was a charge for the pillow mints, and he told the clerk he didn't even eat them. "Still, they were there if you wanted them." King replied that the $100 charge for sleeping with his wife was not deducted from the bill, and the clerk said, "But Sir, I did no such thing!" "Ah, but she was there if you wanted her."

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Jun 3, 2019 23:16:58   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
HRBIEL wrote:
Just some food for thought. In the old days (pre digital) personal cameras registered images on film but they didn't record video on film. Today, almost any personal camera you can buy can shoot stills as well as record video. I wonder if there would be a market for photographers who only shoot stills and would buy a camera that had no video capability? Marketing a camera with no video capabilities could probably cost less, maybe weigh less, have a smaller form factor, and be less complicated to operate. I know I would be interested in such a camera as I'm not interested in video. Any thoughts from hoggers?
Just some food for thought. In the old days (pre d... (show quote)


Nikon already produces that camera and even has video:D3400 and D3500, cost less than $400, easy to operate, weighs less than 1 lb w/o lens, smaller body than D7200/7500, shoots 5fps, has same sensor/processor as D7200 and has built in guide to help answer questions. Cost half as much as my D50 I purchased in 2005 which had no video, 6mp sensor and 2gb max sd cards. Cameras today are bargains compared to a decade ago with better price, performance and smaller size.

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Jun 3, 2019 23:24:36   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Robert1 wrote:
...Do you see TV or Motion picture professionals shooting video with a camera?


Yes. At least for B-roll footage, and sometimes more. Sometimes, a LOT MORE.

Network and local TV news producers, ad agencies, professional bloggers, in-house video producers in corporations, independent film makers, wedding videographers, and many others making videos for a living have used dSLRs and mirrorless cameras for over a decade.

Some of us grew up with SLRs and migrated to video. We absolutely HATED the traditional camcorder form factor. I own four and used several others. To me, they all suck rotten eggs compared to my mirrorless hybrid camera. It’s just more comfortable in my hands. Since I often create the same content in video and print media, it’s absolutely fantastic to use one kit instead of two, as I used to do.

You probably won’t see many of them on a major motion picture costing tens of millions of dollars, but they are pro grade tools and will continue to play a role in many smaller productions. You really would be surprised...

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Jun 3, 2019 23:26:30   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yep. No real savings from yanking video.

The HDMI is to feed an external recorder or monitor during video recording.

The internal mics are really only useful as a reference track with which to synchronize an external recording. They sound *terrible*.

The mic jack is for “single system sound,” where a wireless mic, boom pole shotgun mic, or small audio mixer provides higher quality audio.

The headphone jack is used for monitoring during playback and recording.

AV in/out is for connecting older monitors. USB is used for downloading to computers, although unless it’s USB-C, using an external USB3 card reader is faster. Some newer models also charge via USB-C.

Very few cameras have decent microphone preamps, limiters, peak meters, input level controls, and defeatable automatic level controls. Panasonic GHx series are exceptions. There are a few others (Sony, Fujifilm, primarily).

Half my work is video, half stills. So I appreciate hybrid cameras!
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Isn't the HDMI used for live feed when using a camera tethered to a monitor for still shots?

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Jun 3, 2019 23:39:06   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
Isn't the HDMI used for live feed when using a camera tethered to a monitor for still shots?


It can be. But mostly it is used for high(er) end video recording on something like an Atomos Ninja. The Lumix GH5 can do some amazing things when you record externally instead of using the SDXC card in the camera.

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Jun 3, 2019 23:54:37   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
burkphoto wrote:
It can be. But mostly it is used for high(er) end video recording on something like an Atomos Ninja. The Lumix GH5 can do some amazing things when you record externally instead of using the SDXC card in the camera.


Like ... Bill?

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Jun 4, 2019 00:54:51   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Chris T wrote:
Not sure that's an ideal solution, Alan ... I think I'd rather HAVE video capability when I need it, than NOT have it, at a time I find I need it ...

I'm kinda like that, with built-in flash, too ...

I suspect most of us - want it all ... when it comes down to it. Wonder how many Dfs Nikon sells ...


Chris, I believe this is one of the few times I agree with you 100%.

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Jun 4, 2019 01:31:34   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Chris, I believe this is one of the few times I agree with you 100%.


Oh, thanks, Mark ... good to know ...


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