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May 22, 2019 14:51:19   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Reconvic wrote:
I don't know how anyone could shoot a dive on a tripod and I cannot hold a prime.


It just takes practice. I have a bunch of them diving but it's very hard to do and I don't have any "great" pictures of Osprey diving.

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May 22, 2019 17:36:50   #
Reconvic Loc: clermont Fl
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
It just takes practice. I have a bunch of them diving but it's very hard to do and I don't have any "great" pictures of Osprey diving.


A 50 MPH vertical dive takes practice and a great camera and lens and lighting and wind and and ….that's why they're none on here and I can only find one photographer that has the complete dive: Mark Smith on youtube

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May 23, 2019 06:00:07   #
hammond
 
Love those pics. Seems like continued practice will help.
You might try the different focusing modes on your camera - I somehow didn't know about these in the first 2 years of shooting with my D500 and was only using single-point focusing - felt kinda stupid when I realised there were all these other options.
Still getting the hang of back-button focusing.

As tempting as it is to try to address improvement with upgraded equipment, it's generally more economic and will yield more long-term benefits to exhaust the capabilities of your current gear before resorting to buying new stuff.

Keep on it, you're clearly on the right track.

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May 23, 2019 06:30:37   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
The first image is almost beyond soft, maybe slightly out of focus, the second image is soft as well. You did catch the scene which is hard to do, right place at the right time. If you want to see diving Osprey go to the web site, 500px and type in, Diving Osprey, in the search bar, you will see lots of crisp sharp diving osprey. If you want to pick the brains of the actual photographers that capture the image, most will return your questions. You will also find the equipment used posted with most of the captures as well.

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May 23, 2019 06:38:17   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
While shooting in crop mode would increase the FPS rate the extra “reach” it gives you is only apparent. The advantage of shooting FF with those diving birds is that you have so much more frame to work with. Then YOU get to choose where to make the crop.

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May 23, 2019 07:02:33   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Great shots.

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May 23, 2019 07:37:20   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Reconvic wrote:
If I don't use the correct jargon concerning equipment and technique...excuse me please. I am a relatively new photographer of 20 months but have immersed myself in birding especially raptors in flight and "dives". For me and other more experienced professionals it is the most difficult event. I use JUST a Sigma 600 Contemporary for all my captures. I have researched the media and here on UHH about the best camera and lenses for my passion. The 850 comes in at 46 mps but I always crop that ends up at 20 mps. The 850 is frequently compared to the D500 crop camera that also crops out at 20mps, and now the mirrorless Z6 and Z7. The 850 comes in first in image quality and focus rate, depending on the lens of course. An osprey dive for me happens in a little over 2 seconds. I have 2 successful dives now and the 850/sigma has nailed every frame including the 50 mph dive and the getting up out of the water. My buffer runs dry at 20 frames and takes a little time to recover so I can complete the fly away.

Soooo...Is there a better camera for what I am doing? Mark Smith on you tube is the only other photographer that I have viewed that has successful osprey dives and has determined that the 850 is the best for both focus rate and image quality. The lens he uses is a 600 prime that I don't think I can free hand? I have to rent a Tamron G2 to see if there is any better image quality?

I am including 2 of the frames of my first Osprey Dive where the osprey is estimated at speeds up to 50 mph. Would greatly appreciate any comments from you that I greatly respect.
If I don't use the correct jargon concerning equip... (show quote)


Suggestion, either the Nikon 200-500 5.6 or the newer Nikon 500 5.6. Both these lenses have the new electronic aperture, when, at 10 frames per second assure that each exposure will be right on the nose.
I would further suggest using GROUP AUTO FOCUS, Continuous auto focus, either matrix or center weighted metering. I always try to use manual exposure or aperture priority for the best exposure (yours are a little washed out) I would also recommend shooting at least at 1/2000 sec. or 1/4000 sec. is better, at least two stops down(cause your talons are out of focus) to give better depth of field.

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May 23, 2019 09:52:57   #
Nalu Loc: Southern Arizona
 
I think you asked for comments on the images as well. IMO, 1/2000 is not fast enough for the shots you are trying to get. You have plenty of room to go faster considering your iso was only at 280, at least for the first image. The 850 should (?) be able to handle higher iso(s) just fine. I think you will be comparatively pleased with the results at the higher shutter speeds.

As far as equipment for the pursuit of fast moving birds, I switched to Sony.

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May 23, 2019 09:59:19   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
The 850 is a great camera. I'd only question your use of other than Nikkor lenses.
--Bob
Reconvic wrote:
If I don't use the correct jargon concerning equipment and technique...excuse me please. I am a relatively new photographer of 20 months but have immersed myself in birding especially raptors in flight and "dives". For me and other more experienced professionals it is the most difficult event. I use JUST a Sigma 600 Contemporary for all my captures. I have researched the media and here on UHH about the best camera and lenses for my passion. The 850 comes in at 46 mps but I always crop that ends up at 20 mps. The 850 is frequently compared to the D500 crop camera that also crops out at 20mps, and now the mirrorless Z6 and Z7. The 850 comes in first in image quality and focus rate, depending on the lens of course. An osprey dive for me happens in a little over 2 seconds. I have 2 successful dives now and the 850/sigma has nailed every frame including the 50 mph dive and the getting up out of the water. My buffer runs dry at 20 frames and takes a little time to recover so I can complete the fly away.

Soooo...Is there a better camera for what I am doing? Mark Smith on you tube is the only other photographer that I have viewed that has successful osprey dives and has determined that the 850 is the best for both focus rate and image quality. The lens he uses is a 600 prime that I don't think I can free hand? I have to rent a Tamron G2 to see if there is any better image quality?

I am including 2 of the frames of my first Osprey Dive where the osprey is estimated at speeds up to 50 mph. Would greatly appreciate any comments from you that I greatly respect.
If I don't use the correct jargon concerning equip... (show quote)

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May 23, 2019 10:09:21   #
In-lightened Loc: Kansas City
 
One of the best hand hold lens I have found is the 300mm f2.8 VRII coupled with a TCE14-III. I use this on my D850 and get great shots of BIF. While this is 420 vs. 600mm, I find that I have enough mp to crop. If you put this on the D500, it becomes 580mm. I have not had as good of luck with the 1.7 TC. Auto focus is slower and keeper rate drops.

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May 23, 2019 11:38:33   #
Reconvic Loc: clermont Fl
 
billnikon wrote:
Suggestion, either the Nikon 200-500 5.6 or the newer Nikon 500 5.6. Both these lenses have the new electronic aperture, when, at 10 frames per second assure that each exposure will be right on the nose.
I would further suggest using GROUP AUTO FOCUS, Continuous auto focus, either matrix or center weighted metering. I always try to use manual exposure or aperture priority for the best exposure (yours are a little washed out) I would also recommend shooting at least at 1/2000 sec. or 1/4000 sec. is better, at least two stops down(cause your talons are out of focus) to give better depth of field.
Suggestion, either the Nikon 200-500 5.6 or the ne... (show quote)


Yep Bill Have all those settings except the higher shutter speed...think that is the ticket...I know from the other 500 nikkor vs Sigma Sport vs Tamron G2 that there much controversy on which will serve me better...

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May 23, 2019 11:41:41   #
Reconvic Loc: clermont Fl
 
In-lightened wrote:
One of the best hand hold lens I have found is the 300mm f2.8 VRII coupled with a TCE14-III. I use this on my D850 and get great shots of BIF. While this is 420 vs. 600mm, I find that I have enough mp to crop. If you put this on the D500, it becomes 580mm. I have not had as good of luck with the 1.7 TC. Auto focus is slower and keeper rate drops.


Have had great results with this lens for BIF...this is not a BIF this is a BIDD (bird in a death dive)...thanks in lighted

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May 23, 2019 12:07:41   #
sandiegosteve Loc: San Diego, CA
 
Good job on the framing and capturing. Your gear is fine. The more you shoot and practice, the better you will get. Focus techniques take time, particularly with motion.

The bird does look like it could be ever so slightly out of focus, so it is worth calibrating your focus. Do that with a tripod and look up some of the Nikon AF Fine Tune tutorials. I do them with a target in the office and then move outside. Artificial turf with a rock is great. Focus at distance on the rock at a low angle and look at how much of the turf is in focus. If the band of focus is consistently behind or in front of the rock, adjust accordingly.

Best advice I saw here is to keep practicing. You are going in the right direction.

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May 23, 2019 12:15:33   #
Reconvic Loc: clermont Fl
 
sandiegosteve wrote:
Good job on the framing and capturing. Your gear is fine. The more you shoot and practice, the better you will get. Focus techniques take time, particularly with motion.

The bird does look like it could be ever so slightly out of focus, so it is worth calibrating your focus. Do that with a tripod and look up some of the Nikon AF Fine Tune tutorials. I do them with a target in the office and then move outside. Artificial turf with a rock is great. Focus at distance on the rock at a low angle and look at how much of the turf is in focus. If the band of focus is consistently behind or in front of the rock, adjust accordingly.

Best advice I saw here is to keep practicing. You are going in the right direction.
Good job on the framing and capturing. Your gear i... (show quote)


Thanks Steve

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May 23, 2019 13:26:15   #
mharvey
 
STOP! And enjoy.
You’ve GOT the best setup already.
👍

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