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May 21, 2019 13:47:42   #
NJFrank Loc: New Jersey
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Nicely done. The blend between the background and the bird is not something I do well yet--you hit it. It' a keeper, well, except for the legs of course lol


Thanks, and because of others keen eye, that problem has been corrected.

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May 21, 2019 13:58:14   #
NJFrank Loc: New Jersey
 
I thought I would repost with the corrected legs and cleaning up some of the dust spots.


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May 21, 2019 14:38:56   #
Howard5252 Loc: New York / Florida (now)
 
One of the items that must have close attention payed to it is the relative size of the objects being combined. This is right up there with matching up the direction of the light. In this composite you don't need to be too concerned about light direction but the size of the bird is somewhat large. Try to compare something like the bird's length or wingspan to the building. How close or far away is the bird supposed to be and what would be those dimensions at that distance? Is the bird supposed to be closer to us than the building? There is a temptation to be sure people see the bird; make it smaller, they will still see it and it will be more realistic.

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May 21, 2019 14:52:16   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Howard5252 wrote:
One of the items that must have close attention payed to it is the relative size of the objects being combined. This is right up there with matching up the direction of the light. In this composite you don't need to be too concerned about light direction but the size of the bird is somewhat large. Try to compare something like the bird's length or wingspan to the building. How close or far away is the bird supposed to be and what would be those dimensions at that distance? Is the bird supposed to be closer to us than the building? There is a temptation to be sure people see the bird; make it smaller, they will still see it and it will be more realistic.
One of the items that must have close attention pa... (show quote)
This is an interesting discussion. Great egrets can stand 3' tall, and are nearly the size of a great blue heron, which is very common around here. Having seen great blues taking flight from a relatively close distance, I had no issue with the size of this bird relative to the building and tree, perhaps because I know they can also be found near human habitats. In my mind I saw the size of this one as meaning it was close by when it took flight (there's a canal just out of sight below ).

Very nice final edition, Frank.

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May 21, 2019 15:02:27   #
NJFrank Loc: New Jersey
 
Howard5252 wrote:
One of the items that must have close attention payed to it is the relative size of the objects being combined. This is right up there with matching up the direction of the light. In this composite you don't need to be too concerned about light direction but the size of the bird is somewhat large. Try to compare something like the bird's length or wingspan to the building. How close or far away is the bird supposed to be and what would be those dimensions at that distance? Is the bird supposed to be closer to us than the building? There is a temptation to be sure people see the bird; make it smaller, they will still see it and it will be more realistic.
One of the items that must have close attention pa... (show quote)


I understand what you are saying. However when I took both shots I was very close to the same spot. Each was taken at from a different direction. Both basically 150 feet from each subject The bird is relatively big (probably 5' wingspan) I took the bird without changing the its size to fit in between the buidling and the tree. I would agree with you that if this was a small bird this size would be an overkill.
Thanks for your input, much appreciated.

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May 21, 2019 15:10:24   #
NJFrank Loc: New Jersey
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
This is an interesting discussion. Great egrets can stand 3' tall, and are nearly the size of a great blue heron, which is very common around here. Having seen great blues taking flight from a relatively close distance, I had no issue with the size of this bird relative to the building and tree, perhaps because I know they can also be found near human habitats. In my mind I saw the size of this one as meaning it was close by when it took flight (there's a canal just out of sight below ).

Very nice final edition, Frank.
This is an interesting discussion. Great egrets ca... (show quote)


These were shot at the Meadowland here in Northern NJ. You can see the NYC skyline, that is how close it is to New York City. I received and email the other day from Hackensack Riverkeeper. They are doing a fund raiser and asking for donors to give a dollar for each bird identified. They ID'd 131. But that number is always changing since they get a lot of migratory birds. It I jut a good place to go if someone enjoys taking pictures of birds.

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May 21, 2019 15:52:36   #
Howard5252 Loc: New York / Florida (now)
 
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May 21, 2019 15:53:41   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
This is an interesting discussion.


This is my take on object size in composite pictures. Feel free to tell me where I err.

Since a photograph is two dimensional object we use relative size and placement to add a third dimension. In the case of the egret size and placement helps determine where in the 3rd dimension the egret is. Within reasonable limits the size of the egret van vary considerably depending where you want to place it in the three dimensional space. Smaller could place him behind the house, placing the existing image in front of the house could put him closer to the lens.
You cannot discuss size without discussing placement. The right size image placed in the wrong location is as objectional as the wrong size image placed in the right location. IMHO

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May 21, 2019 16:07:06   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
This is my take on object size in composite pictures. Feel free to tell me where I err.

Since a photograph is two dimensional object we use relative size and placement to add a third dimension. In the case of the egret size and placement helps determine where in the 3rd dimension the egret is. Within reasonable limits the size of the egret van vary considerably depending where you want to place it in the three dimensional space. Smaller could place him behind the house, placing the existing image in front of the house could put him closer to the lens.
You cannot discuss size without discussing placement. The right size image placed in the wrong location is as objectional as the wrong size image placed in the right location. IMHO
This is my take on object size in composite pictur... (show quote)
Makes sense to me

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May 21, 2019 16:07:44   #
NJFrank Loc: New Jersey
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
This is my take on object size in composite pictures. Feel free to tell me where I err.

Since a photograph is two dimensional object we use relative size and placement to add a third dimension. In the case of the egret size and placement helps determine where in the 3rd dimension the egret is. Within reasonable limits the size of the egret van vary considerably depending where you want to place it in the three dimensional space. Smaller could place him behind the house, placing the existing image in front of the house could put him closer to the lens.
You cannot discuss size without discussing placement. The right size image placed in the wrong location is as objectional as the wrong size image placed in the right location. IMHO
This is my take on object size in composite pictur... (show quote)


No I don't think you erred. I purposely put him in the spot that you see. He is a big bird with long wings so his placement is set to give the impression that he is rising and heading between the tree and the building. This image has certainly created a wonderful discussion. Everyone's eyes seem to see it a bit differently. If I wanted him going in the opposite direction and over the building I would not have keep him at the same size. He would probably be half or there about the size he is in this image.

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