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May 22, 2019 10:17:13   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
IDguy wrote:
Thanks! I will check them out.

I noticed recently Adobe recommends that CC be the primary tool. Perhaps they want to sell storage. They sent me an offer to upgrade to 1TB for $5/m vs. $10.

For now Classic remains my home base.


Mine too. Not interested in a cloud based approach to file management. Most photographers who use a wide array of software instead of just Adobe stuff and use real cameras seem to prefer the Classic version with files on our own drives.

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May 22, 2019 11:13:56   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
IDguy wrote:
Thanks! I will check them out.

I noticed recently Adobe recommends that CC be the primary tool. Perhaps they want to sell storage. They sent me an offer to upgrade to 1TB for $5/m vs. $10.

For now Classic remains my home base.

"Adobe recommends that CC be the primary tool"

I don't see that. Adobe might be struggling with getting customers and potential customers to understand the range and variety of how their tools work. I would agree that Adobe is working toward incorporating cloud storage into the options for workflow. This is especially true for photographers that don't expect prints to be part of their photography.

I still think I see Adobe continuing to work on a "classic" workflow for the photographers that have real cameras, store image filess on small computers and make prints. This week they added a new slider called "Texture" to go with Clarity and DeHaze.

I also think Adobe is preparing for a huge change coming to us. Our wireless connections are going to begin jumping in speed in a couple years. "5G" connections will make cloud storage use more obvious and useful to all of us.

I think Adobe might be puzzled about why traditional camera photographers can be so reluctant to spend $10 for a TB of storage! They (we!) come from shooting film. We had to buy the film and pay to get it developed. The current cost for a 36 exposure roll of Ektachrome is $13 and a processing mailer is $11.

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May 22, 2019 11:23:28   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
bsprague wrote:
"Adobe recommends that CC be the primary tool"

I don't see that. Adobe might be struggling with getting customers and potential customers to understand the range and variety of how their tools work. I would agree that Adobe is working toward incorporating cloud storage into the options for workflow. This is especially true for photographers that don't expect prints to be part of their photography.

I still think I see Adobe continuing to work on a "classic" workflow for the photographers that have real cameras, store image filess on small computers and make prints. This week they added a new slider called "Texture" to go with Clarity and DeHaze.

I also think Adobe is preparing for a huge change coming to us. Our wireless connections are going to begin jumping in speed in a couple years. "5G" connections will make cloud storage use more obvious and useful to all of us.

I think Adobe might be puzzled about why traditional camera photographers can be so reluctant to spend $10 for a TB of storage! They (we!) come from shooting film. We had to buy the film and pay to get it developed. The current cost for a 36 exposure roll of Ektachrome is $13 and a processing mailer is $11.
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It isn't $10 that bothers me. I just don't like subscriptions where they can keep charging my card after I die. In this case it isn't even a good deal at $5. I can buy a couple terabyte portable portable each year for that and have much faster speeds. I'm not likely to get much faster Internet speeds in the next several years because of where I live.


In any case I just succeeded in loading CC on my other PC and it works just like Mobile does on my ipad and iPhone. So all is well in that department.


Still looking for how to download the iPad images I have put into an Album in CC into a folder in Lightroom Classic. I should get that figured out this morning.


I tried the feature in Classic to connect to Facebook. No joy on getting that to work so far. I don't see a way to do that directly from CC or Mobile.

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May 22, 2019 11:34:10   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
I see why the Facebook publish connection failed: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/facebook-publish-service-error.html

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May 22, 2019 11:58:06   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
IDguy,

There is an easy, fast Facebook method. Use the Windows Snipping tool to "copy" any image you have open in any application, including Lightroom Classic. Log on to your Facebook account and, wherever you are posting or typing, paste with a "Ctrl-V".

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May 22, 2019 12:02:30   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
IDguy,

You owe it to your heirs to continue the payments. How else will they see the beautiful work you do! (Ignore this if you make prints of everything you do).

Based on what you've written, including "between the lines, about your work flow, equipment and methods, why are you messing with the Lightroom CC (cloud) applications? What are you trying to accomplish? Are you not just making your system more complex? Why are you not sticking with a classic workflow in Lightroom Classic?

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May 22, 2019 12:22:46   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 


The above link recommends transferring images to CC first, and shows how to then get them into folders on your image storage hard drive. I’ll try that but it seems to add unnecessary steps compared to importing them directly into Classic. And I’m sure it will be slower due to my Internet speed.

I also need to check that my iPhone is set to synch only on WIFI.

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May 22, 2019 12:49:59   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
bsprague wrote:
IDguy,

You owe it to your heirs to continue the payments. How else will they see the beautiful work you do! (Ignore this if you make prints of everything you do).

Based on what you've written, including "between the lines, about your work flow, equipment and methods, why are you messing with the Lightroom CC (cloud) applications? What are you trying to accomplish? Are you not just making your system more complex? Why are you not sticking with a classic workflow in Lightroom Classic?
IDguy, br br You owe it to your heirs to continue... (show quote)


The main reason I went to the subscription was so I can import my Z6 RAW files without going through through Adobe DNG converter. That works and would allow me to keep my old workflow which includes image backup.

My interest in CC is for two main reasons. I’d like to share more images easier than exporting from Classic and uploading including the ability to show images on my iPad and iPhone without impacting their relatively limited storage. And I want to be able to put my iPhone and iPad images into my Classic workflow so I can recover enough iCloud to back up my devices.

I also like the convenience of editing on my iPad.

Eventually I might work out importing images via my iPhone or iPad. I travel a lot and do not bring my Classic PC with me.

I have yet to investigate Adobe Portfolios. That might also be of interest for Photo sharing.

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May 22, 2019 13:32:13   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
IDguy wrote:
The above link recommends transferring images to CC first, and shows how to then get them into folders on your image storage hard drive. I’ll try that but it seems to add unnecessary steps compared to importing them directly into Classic. And I’m sure it will be slower due to my Internet speed.

I also need to check that my iPhone is set to synch only on WIFI.


If the files are in your camera, it is best to transfer them directly into Classic as you probably have done in the past. I don't even have LRCC installed on my desktop computer, only Classic. I don't need LRCC on my desktop. I only need LRCC on my mobiles when traveling and AWAY from my desktop.

If you are on a trip with your ipad or laptop, you can load the images into LRCC during the trip, you can follow the instructions in the links I posted, and have LRCC transfer those images (raw files plus edits) to your desktop and import them into LR Classic with your other images once you get home.

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May 22, 2019 13:58:34   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
IDguy wrote:
Albums are not your original images. They may contain the copies of images uploaded to the cloud.

A collection does not copy the images. It links to them. But that difference might be why they are Albums in CC and Collections in Classic.

No reason to edit in CC when on your computer with Classic. I uninstalled it.


You are right IDguy. Pretty much everything is done with links. It does get confusing between classic and the cloud and the end of the folder structure. I should have said links instead of original.

What happens when you import photos into Lightroom classic it brings them in as links, it links to the original photo in a folder that matches the folder structure on the hard drive. Then you can edit the photos in classic from there. These are called folders.

Collections, the area just below the folders, is just one of many ways to organize your photos. What I did was created collections such as flowers animals water scenes etc. I did this because I was too lazy to input keywords which I now do and I found the key words actually better for me. In the collections area it is also links. If you click the little square to the left of the collection titles it will sink to Lightroom cloud version.

Once it sinks to the cloud version it becomes albums in the cloud. From the cloud version you can edit your photos from anywhere among other things so just create their website etc I don't use the cloud version I do most of them I do my editing at home on my PC. I believe this is also where the links stop and actual photos are uploaded to the cloud, and I think the cloud version creates its links for the cloud.

And they just confused everybody again by changing the names I just updated and it's now Lightroom for the cloud version in Lightroom classic I think, I don't know I renamed them myself so I know what they are.

I can see where the clown version would be useful for someone that travels a lot but I just wait till I get home.

It sounds like you've pretty much figured it out, a lot of people say it's not very intuitive but I find it fairly easy especially with all the YouTube videos and and the Adobe site which I sometimes look at but learn more from Reading here on the hog.

Don't know if this all makes sense or not but that's the way I understand it.

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May 22, 2019 14:25:55   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
bsprague wrote:
IDguy,

There is an easy, fast Facebook method. Use the Windows Snipping tool to "copy" any image you have open in any application, including Lightroom Classic. Log on to your Facebook account and, wherever you are posting or typing, paste with a "Ctrl-V".


Thanks for a good suggestion. I’ll give it a try. Need to locate the snipping tool.

I’ve seen it on one of my PCs but never thought of using it that way.

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May 22, 2019 14:31:32   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
frankraney wrote:
You are right IDguy. Pretty much everything is done with links. It does get confusing between classic and the cloud and the end of the folder structure. I should have said links instead of original.

What happens when you import photos into Lightroom classic it brings them in as links, it links to the original photo in a folder that matches the folder structure on the hard drive. Then you can edit the photos in classic from there. These are called folders.

Collections, the area just below the folders, is just one of many ways to organize your photos. What I did was created collections such as flowers animals water scenes etc. I did this because I was too lazy to input keywords which I now do and I found the key words actually better for me. In the collections area it is also links. If you click the little square to the left of the collection titles it will sink to Lightroom cloud version.

Once it sinks to the cloud version it becomes albums in the cloud. From the cloud version you can edit your photos from anywhere among other things so just create their website etc I don't use the cloud version I do most of them I do my editing at home on my PC. I believe this is also where the links stop and actual photos are uploaded to the cloud, and I think the cloud version creates its links for the cloud.

And they just confused everybody again by changing the names I just updated and it's now Lightroom for the cloud version in Lightroom classic I think, I don't know I renamed them myself so I know what they are.

I can see where the clown version would be useful for someone that travels a lot but I just wait till I get home.

It sounds like you've pretty much figured it out, a lot of people say it's not very intuitive but I find it fairly easy especially with all the YouTube videos and and the Adobe site which I sometimes look at but learn more from Reading here on the hog.

Don't know if this all makes sense or not but that's the way I understand it.
You are right IDguy. Pretty much everything is don... (show quote)


It makes sense and agrees with what I’ve learned the last few days. Thanks!

The Adobe site has some good stuff but some seems out of date to where they are now. As you note, there is plenty of good youtube stuff.

I checked with my library on the Linda.com training. They do not have access. I suspect 90% of it I already know. I might try the 30 day free trial.

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May 22, 2019 14:33:08   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Has anyone used the Adobe Portfolios? If so, can you enlighten as to why I need one and what to do with it?

PS: My photography is pure hobby.

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May 23, 2019 19:03:57   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
tennis2618 wrote:
I want to address the problem with the computer hard drive getting too full as I have recently experienced it. With the help or Apple techs by phone, I learned how to analyze my hard drive and found that various photo files had it full. I work in Lightroom and download pictures from my camera cards right into LR. My LR photo files are and have always been on exterior derives. My instruction files (most recent update) are stored in three locations: in the pictures file on my mac HD, on my backup to the original exterior LR drive and in Dropbox. Every time I turn LR off it stores the instruction update to each of these locations, although I do have to go and delete older backups every week or so. But these files don't require much space anyway.

The big issue is with my mac picture files. I have done a terrible job of eliminating redundancies. For some reason several groups have shown up in my pictures file and not in the photos file in pictures, but elsewhere. I do transfer several pictures into Photos which I might want to share with others when out and about and that works well. To address this problem I now do several things: first, make sure to eliminate redundant pictures in "pictures"; second, limit the pictures I enter into Photos to a few representative shoots to keep the Photos file in pictures smaller: finally, I have signed up for Apple's iCloud storage plan (as opposed to LR's) which will store as much of my "Photos" files on the cloud as necessary when the HD nears capacity and recall them whenever I want to use them, which is normally only when I want them on Apple TV.

Finally, I have learned to clear out my trash file on the HD very regularly. I was amazed at how many pictures-normally in DNG content form-are in there. Even in thrash they will count just as much against your available capacity.

A full HD will mess up your ability to do anything, not just LR editing. This is why I use Apple's cloud rather than LR's--I can keep many none photo apps in there.
I want to address the problem with the computer ha... (show quote)


One caveat about Apple iCloud; a Women whose Husband passed wanted access to the the library of family photos and videos he shot with his iPhone. Apple informed her that in the EUA, upon the death of the account holder, access to the photos is blocked and they become the property of Apple.

The poor woman had to go to court and sue, quite expensively, to get her pictures back.

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