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May 13, 2019 08:27:14   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
Gene51 wrote:
Lightroom has a great parametric, or rules-based editor. It can make fast work out of making broad, sweeping global adjustments. It is already included in Photoshop in the form of Adobe Camera Raw.

What you can't do in LR is make precise, local adjustments, work with layers, merge two images, use layers, brushes and blend modes to enhance or repair an image, content aware operations, etc etc etc. The functions are not interchangeable, so the answer is yes, editing is more comprehensive and precise in Photoshop.

HDR is the same in both, but you have additional tone mapping you can do in PS that is not available in LR.

Part of what you will discover over time is that the images that you once thought were ok out of LR really aren't. LR is a very fast way to get to proof stage, but not for proper image finishing. I haven't seen a raw converter alone that could produce finished images.


If you "buy" software (you aren't really buying anything but a license to use it) thinking you own something tangible, think again. Also your LR 6 is out of date. In automobile terms it's an Edsel - no longer made and soon to be completely abandoned. As new computers with greater processing ability, newer operating systems, new cameras and lenses hit the market, you will find support for your current license of LR as well as the new stuff - to diminish. One day you will get a new computer, camera or lens and won't be able to use it, and you'll realize the benefit of having software that is current and aggressively updated/upgraded.

Subscription model of software delivery is only a way to even out cash flow for a company and it's endusers. Photoshop used to cost $1000 and LR $300 - and another $300 and $100 at upgrade time - usually every 18 months. Not needing to manage a hugely expensive distribution channel - packaging, printed manuals, media, inventory, return of defective media, pricing etc - ends up being a big benefit, both in price and software quality. Essentially, by cutting out the middlemen - you are buying software at whole cost. May this way of looking at it can help you get over your hangup
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May 13, 2019 08:40:55   #
Jersey guy Loc: New Joisey
 
This has been an interesting thread. PS, PSE, LR, etc., etc., has always been a confusing discussion for those of us who do not make our living in photography, and who have day-to-day involvement.

That said, why do I not see anyone mentioning Gimp as an alternative? Open Source, freebie and good user feedback forums.

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May 13, 2019 09:12:12   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
You ask two questions: "If my out of camera shots are good most of the time is Lightroom fine?
And, does photoshop bring a whole higher level of editing esp. in problem areas?"

Yes, if the out-of-camera shots are good enough for your purposes, then you do not need the full Photoshop CC.

Yes, the full Photoshop CC does offer "bring a whole higher level of editing."

On this second point, you have to decide if your photography work needs more editing. But if so, you maybe could get along just fine using Photoshop Elements instead of the full Photoshop CC.

Should you decide to go for the full Photoshop CC, then you may profit from taking a workshop or two to familiarize yourself with the basic editing power of this image editor. This approach will give you a foundation and confidence.

Good luck.
Rloren wrote:
Hello...
My current objective for now is editing real estate photographs which I am just getting into.
I am editing photos in Lightroom 6 which I bought outright.
If my out of camera photos are good there can generally be only a few adjustments needed My biggest friend seems to be the adjustment brush which works out fine most of the time, but I am still working on cloning and healing.

I watch two real pros on You Tube and everything they do starts in Lightroom and then goes right into Photoshop, generally into layers. Then I stop watching because for now I do not have Photoshop.

Just trying to make this a general question. If my out of camera shots are good most of the time is Lightroom fine?
And, does photoshop bring a whole higher level of editing esp. in problem areas?

I rely on HDR when I have to. Does photoshop do that better?
And lastly, I 'm not big on monthly subscription bills. Buying it outright would be ok?
Thank you...
Hello... br My current objective for now is editin... (show quote)

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May 13, 2019 09:37:42   #
will47 Loc: Indianapolis, IN
 
Phil Martin wrote:
Check out Affinity Photo. For me it's "Photoshop on Steroids," and it costs a flat-out $49. How can you go wrong with that?


Is Affinity a standalone or a PS Plug-in?

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May 13, 2019 09:51:52   #
Phil Martin Loc: New Hampshire
 
Affinity is a standalone app. Purchase it through the Apple Store for $49. It's YOURS and it stays there for any number of re-installs. I have it on two iMacs and my Laptop. My only problem? I can't understand HOW THEY DO IT.

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May 13, 2019 10:07:09   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
Affinity, ON1, Elements. They all sound interesting. However I understand and am functional with LR (not photoshop). Am I ready to climb the learning curve of another program? Maybe if $10 per month increases to $20 per month, and I get mad.

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May 13, 2019 10:11:19   #
Phil Martin Loc: New Hampshire
 
Why wait?????

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May 13, 2019 10:12:07   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
Affinity, ON1, Elements. They all sound interesting. However I understand and am functional with LR (not photoshop). Am I ready to climb the learning curve of another program? Maybe if $10 per month increases to $20 per month, and I get mad.


I believe Affinity works as a plugin for Lightroom (Right click -> Edit in Affinity), read the second post of this thread:

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/39731-lightroom-to-affinity-and-back/

I can't be sure because I don't have Lightroom, but you can download Affinity and try it for free.

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May 13, 2019 10:12:37   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
will47 wrote:
Is Affinity a standalone or a PS Plug-in?


Affinity photo is a standalone program although it also integrates well with affinity designer and affinity publisher and even shares some tools between them.

Affinity photo can also host a lot of photoshop plugins e.g nik collection and topaz.

Affinity photo does not do anything with 3d modeling or 3d printing or allow you to edit and color grade movies, which photoshop can do.

It can generate LUTs which can be used to color grade your video footage in something like davinci resolve ...

To be fair photographers use just a fraction of whats available in photoshop and affinity photo is able to match pretty much everything thats in photoshop that you would use.Thats pretty much true of most photo editors.

It's a shame Adobe has killed off Lightroom standalone but there is still Bridge and they give that away for free. That may be an alternative for lightrooms organisational abilities. I would still miss Lightroom thou.

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May 13, 2019 10:58:04   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
mvetrano2 wrote:
... Even though I have Photoshop, I have never used it for any photo editing. I know it is probably more powerful than Lightroom, but lacks the cataloging and face recognition that I use more than edits. So, for me, even though I pay for both, if Lightroom came as an only subscription without Photoshop, I would change my subscription.


Since you have it, you might try using it. LR/PS isn't either/or, you can use both since the programs talk to each other. You can start in LR and get your catalog and face recognition, then send the image from LR to PS (right click, edit in...) and do wonderful things in PS. When you're finished in PS, just save the work and PS will send a psd (or a tif) back to LR and you just continue on in LR.

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May 13, 2019 12:14:21   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I use Photoshop but not Lightroom. I hate the cataloging function of Lightroom.


Same here, photoshop, no need for lightroom.

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May 13, 2019 12:33:25   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Rloren wrote:
Hello...
My current objective for now is editing real estate photographs which I am just getting into.
I am editing photos in Lightroom 6 which I bought outright.
If my out of camera photos are good there can generally be only a few adjustments needed My biggest friend seems to be the adjustment brush which works out fine most of the time, but I am still working on cloning and healing.

I watch two real pros on You Tube and everything they do starts in Lightroom and then goes right into Photoshop, generally into layers. Then I stop watching because for now I do not have Photoshop.

Just trying to make this a general question. If my out of camera shots are good most of the time is Lightroom fine?
And, does photoshop bring a whole higher level of editing esp. in problem areas?

I rely on HDR when I have to. Does photoshop do that better?
And lastly, I 'm not big on monthly subscription bills. Buying it outright would be ok?
Thank you...
Hello... br My current objective for now is editin... (show quote)


Most of us with both use Lightroom only for 95% + of our photos.

The shadow and highlight sliders in Lightroom obviate the need for HDR in most cases. And you can use the brush or spot to increase/decrease exposure in selected areas.

Of course you can’t recover what isn’t there so HDR still has its role. I haven’t used it in Lightroom but suspect it works fine but with fewer options than Photoshop.

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May 13, 2019 12:44:09   #
Bill P
 
Lightroom was originally something different, digital asset management software. Then, Adobe decided to cloud and confuse the subject by adding PS like features. I was interested with the first version, but found it too mac-like for my taste, and with successive versions realized that I already had an acceptable workflow, bridge, acr, PS that performed well for me, so why take valuable time to learn another complex piece of software?

If you start with LR, just stay there till you find a feature that is missing but available in PS.

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May 13, 2019 12:49:08   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
tainkc wrote:
I am not arguing. It is a compliment to Photoshop. It was developed as such. It is also a very powerful tool in its' right when it comes to external editing with a remote source.

It is also interesting to note that with camera raw in either Elements or Photoshop, one can accomplish 80% of what Lightroom can do. It is that other 20% that advanced users really take advantage of.

On the other hand, there are tools in Elements and Photoshop that do a better, quicker job than how it is done in Lightroom. Spot healing is a good example. So yes, Lightroom is a compliment to, not an instead of to Photoshop. It does not matter what other external editors one has in their repertoire.
I am not arguing. It is a compliment to Photoshop... (show quote)


You mean complEment.

But for many of us it is an alternative.

The problem I have with Photoshop is that I rarely use it and thus forget what is where and how to do things. It takes me much longer to do anything with Photoshop.

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May 13, 2019 12:50:21   #
Rloren
 
blackest wrote:
Affinity photo is a standalone program although it also integrates well with affinity designer and affinity publisher and even shares some tools between them.

Affinity photo can also host a lot of photoshop plugins e.g nik collection and topaz.

Affinity photo does not do anything with 3d modeling or 3d printing or allow you to edit and color grade movies, which photoshop can do.

It can generate LUTs which can be used to color grade your video footage in something like davinci resolve ...

To be fair photographers use just a fraction of whats available in photoshop and affinity photo is able to match pretty much everything thats in photoshop that you would use.Thats pretty much true of most photo editors.

It's a shame Adobe has killed off Lightroom standalone but there is still Bridge and they give that away for free. That may be an alternative for lightrooms organisational abilities. I would still miss Lightroom thou.
Affinity photo is a standalone program although it... (show quote)


After watching several reviews on Affinity I went ahead and purchased it for a one time $50.
I still plan on using my Lightroom.
Affinity may or may not be the Photoshop killer, but for my needs it provides me with plenty of tools for what I need to do.
I was also very pleased that they provide a very well organized and complete tutorial page which appears to describe every function in video form, all in one place....

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