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May 9, 2019 08:10:17   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
SOS!

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May 9, 2019 08:17:40   #
Satman Loc: Indy
 
I remember Quicken, we copied it and traded it many times, every time a new OS came out they rewrote the program, added stocks, wills, etc.

A few years ago they went subscription,

I guess it is nice the program still is working, Many if my other programs no longer are in business, and do not work..

Wasted money, wasted time, wasted life..

Most of us will run out of time, before we run out if money.

The Cemetery is full of them..

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May 9, 2019 08:19:43   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Without change, there would be no butterflies ...

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May 9, 2019 08:21:36   #
Festus Loc: North Dakota
 
That’s your opinion. Couldn’t disagree with you more.

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May 9, 2019 08:27:20   #
bleirer
 
"And if you choose to cancel the subscription, you lose the ability to re-edit all your past photos, it's almost blackmail."

I was curious about this point. Aren't the TIFF files Photoshop produces usable by any editor?

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May 9, 2019 08:30:44   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
bleirer wrote:
"And if you choose to cancel the subscription, you lose the ability to re-edit all your past photos, it's almost blackmail."

I was curious about this point. Aren't the TIFF files Photoshop produces usable by any editor?


Yes, of course, as would be the original RAW and any JPEG files, even the DNGs if your new software decision can read this format. The point is that a subscriber had better prepare their work, via a LR export, before they decide to stop their subscription.

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May 9, 2019 08:33:21   #
Woodworm65 Loc: Lombard, IL
 
I think you hit the nail on the head, I switched to Affinity because of the same reasons good job on explaining why

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May 9, 2019 08:56:43   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
Well, you have revealed yourself as someone who is math challenged and lacks understanding of value, economics, business principles, the cycle of software development and generating revenue, and the difference between Lightroom, a parametric editor with an image database, and Photoshop, which is a full-featured raster and vector image editor that uses an image browser to manage files. Both use the same engine for raw conversion. ...

To be fair to the OP, the rant is not about the price or the math, "It is because the real reason because Adobe choose to *force* their customers to go to a subscription plan. The subscription is NOT an option (as for Capture One), but is MUST."

Of course, if you are already an Adobe customer, the rant might not make sense. But I was also put off by Adobe's refusal to support Lightroom for Windows XP before Microsoft ended support for it. It seemed like a move to force users to upgrade. I did not rant. I just uninstalled Lightroom and moved on.

I'm now happy with Capture One.

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May 9, 2019 08:58:40   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
jlg1000 wrote:
There has been a long discussion on why to go with the Adobe LR/PS subscription plan or why not to.

I'd like to offer a different view on this matter... on why I really don't like the Adobe subscription and why I do not recommend to anyone to follow this path.

No, it is not for the money... $10/month for the LR/PS subsciption, or $69 por ON1, or $50 for Affinity are always pennies next to the cost of photographic gear or the cost of the time we invest in this hobby or profession.

It is because the real reason because Adobe choose to *force* their customers to go to a subscription plan. The subscription is NOT an option (as for Capture One), but is MUST.

Adobe was facing a very severe competition, not only from other players, but specially from themselves. Photoshop has become such an amazing and extremely powerful piece of software that there is no real need to purchase an upgrade each year, at least for the majority of it's users.

If someone invested $700 in Photoshop, he or she would think twice (or trice) before throwing $300 for an upgrade. And this was the key problem: when a piece of software gets so enormous like Photoshop (or MS Word, or Autocad), it is increasingly difficult and expensive to add more features and improvements *that can be sold for a high price*. The problem is: how do you improve something that is already perceived as almost perfect?

Would you really pay $300 for some bugfixes and some new features you do not readily use?

The other problem is that Photoshop started in 1987... yes it is that old. Many of it concepts are hardcoded in the oldest lines of code, and the original programmers have left Adobe long since. I've already faced this problem in my line of work: you have a some huge program, and you reach a point where you have to start from scratch, because it is so complex that touching somethings makes fall the rest apart like a house of cards. And if the original developers are gone, you are dead in the water. You only option is to fix, fix, add, fix, add, wrap, fix, add ... it gets harder and harder. There is a theoretical curve for that... just google it.The cost goes up, the improvements go down.

Adobe has already a more modern product which is not nearly as powerful as Photoshop: Lightroom. Other players have chosen the newer path of adding non destructive photo retouch features to the RAW developing workflow (Capture One, ON1, DXO labs, etc.), but if Adobe went that path, it would necessary stop selling Photoshop. Why pay $700 for PS if LR already had 90% of the features an average photografer would need. THEY HAD TO THROTTLE the addition of new additions to LR, like masks, layers, and so on.

So they decided to go the subscription plan... now all the risk is on the customer!! The customer purchases the subscription and forgets about it (... its just 10 bucks a month ...) and Adobe is free to push the updates THEY want. They no longer need to convince the public to buy an expensive upgrade. And if you choose to cancel the subscription, you lose the ability to re-edit all your past photos, it's almost blackmail.

If you look at Adobe's changelog, most of the upgrades are rather minor (new camera compatibility, bugfixes, some menu regrouping some minor new features). Honestly, would you pay $300 a year for them?

The real reason behind the seemingly low price of the subscription is not they they are nice and cute people... it is simply because in a free market, *the price is set by the market itself *and it happens that LR+PS is not more worth than those $10 per month. This is the ugly truth. Capture One charges $20 per month for the OPTIONAL subscription... just because they can. Adobe cannot.

The other software vendors are forced to make great leaps between versions, or else their customers will not pay the upgrade fee. And it shows: look at the differences between ON1 2018 and 2019, or Capture One 11 and 12.

The same happened to MS Office: I have the subscription plan (it makes sense to my business... $99/year for 5 PCs), since 2017... and I really don't find any significant improvements (besides new fancy icons) between the 2017 and the 2019 software. It's just incremental.

This is the reason because I don't like subscription plans: because it is the last resource of a company to reduce their development costs at the expense of innovation. That is exactly was Adobe did.

I just don't want to play their game.
There has been a long discussion on why to go with... (show quote)


I can't figure out why I should care what you do anyway? And I really don't care how something came about, I only care what it can do for me and Adobe, both LR and PS, work just fine to get me what I want with my images. To get so politcally wrapped up in a software program is beyond my comprehension.

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May 9, 2019 09:00:33   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
OH MY GOD !....old school affirmative..............yikes Gene....hahahaa

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May 9, 2019 09:03:18   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
To each his own. I have yet to find any program that even remotely comes close to the capabilities of Photoshop. But if a subscription service bothers you, there are many alternatives to choose from - go for it.

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May 9, 2019 09:03:49   #
Satman Loc: Indy
 
Affinity is a business it will one day go out of business, or be bought out by a more profitable business.

I love mom and pop stores, but they can only do so much.

Our local digital library gives us access to every ADBE Program, for free.

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May 9, 2019 09:10:42   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
There are excellent editors in the market at reasonable prices. If you are a Nikon shooter Capture NX-2 is FREE.

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May 9, 2019 09:13:31   #
terpentijn
 
I like the ‘rant’ of the OP. I also agree. For photographers using adobe software it’s normal that they don’t switch. That’s also what adobe knows. Leaving PS/LR is not as big a deal as it seems though. Even without a subscription you can still export your images. Changing to Capture One for my new photos (what i did) is not that hard. I got better software for less money. But hey, it’s all personal. To me, rants are ok if reasons are also provided. That’s exactly what OP did.

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May 9, 2019 09:15:23   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
WOW........SAD.....good luck with that whatever you're gona do thingie. Adobe is clearly Not Your Banana Boat. I think you should write them a letter and tell them how you feel and send them a new business model of your liking. They'll appreciate that LOADS.

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